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sorry i would claim otherwise. Nobody has been cancelled for expressing leftwing-or extreme leftwing- ideas it may detract from your central point, but it also

sorry i would claim otherwise. Nobody has been cancelled for expressing leftwing-or extreme leftwing- ideas it may detract from your central point, but it also explanis why one side of the spectrum won't be willing to contribute to an armistice

Thorentis 6y ago
Well yes, if you did some analysis of which opinions people have lost their jobs over, and which causes must you support openly if you don't want to be seen as backwards, or which things have people apologised for saying after posting a Tweet, then I'm sure it would be clear that one side dominates societal discourse far more than the other.
- MagnumOpus 6y ago
  It is super obvious that far more people have been fired for championing leftist opinions and causes (living wages, workers' safety, unions) than for being republican/racist/islamophobic. (Though I am not sure that the right wing dominates societal discourse like you say.)
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Sure they have. There was a story making the rounds just today about a girl losing a Deloitte offer for a pro-BLM post, and FIRE can tell you that even on campus left-wing cancellations aren't unheard of.
gguevaraa 6y ago
Not sure if this fits the bill but here's a story[0]. [0]: https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/harvard-grad-claira-janover-fired-over-tiktok-stab-threat-raises-money-online/ https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/harvard-grad-claira-janover-fi...
- buboard 6y ago
  thats not even an extreme leftist opinion, that's terrorism.
- donw 6y ago
  I'm not sure that really fits. Her anger is the problem. She was going to work with Deloitte, where she will represent her organization in front of clients that regularly sign off on invoices that resemble less a major purchase and more the GDP of a small country. Imagine that you have a business. Would you hire such an angry, callous, and impulsive person to represent you in front of clients? Unless the name of your business starts with "B" and ends with "ank of America", the answer is probably "no". Folks on the right are saying that she called for stabbing conservatives. I don't think that's true. She was using metaphor -- comparing being stabbed to having a paper cut -- and just did it exceedingly poorly. The metaphor doesn't become clear unless you watch until the end of the video, and I don't know a lot of people, conservative or liberal, that are all that interested in watching the entirety of a video where they are being offered a complementary stabbing, just so that they can get the punchline. If you post a video of you start off by repeating, over and over, "I am going to $VERB you", then don't be surprised when people interpret your message as, "I am going to $VERB you". Finally: imagine that we flip her political orientation, and that she recored an angry video where she used a metaphor in which she talks about shooting BLM supporters. She would likely be in jail. There is a political difference in how both threats and actual violence are treated in the United States, and it favors the Left.
ThrowawayR2 6y ago
> "Nobody has been cancelled for expressing leftwing-or extreme leftwing- ideas" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism seem like the obvious counterexamples.
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cma 6y ago
Here's an example: Kapernick.
- prepend 6y ago
  Isn’t he making more from his ads and speaking and board seats?

Thorentis 6y ago

Well yes, if you did some analysis of which opinions people have lost their jobs over, and which causes must you support openly if you don't want to be seen as backwards, or which things have people apologised for saying after posting a Tweet, then I'm sure it would be clear that one side dominates societal discourse far more than the other.

MagnumOpus 6y ago
It is super obvious that far more people have been fired for championing leftist opinions and causes (living wages, workers' safety, unions) than for being republican/racist/islamophobic. (Though I am not sure that the right wing dominates societal discourse like you say.)

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Sure they have. There was a story making the rounds just today about a girl losing a Deloitte offer for a pro-BLM post, and FIRE can tell you that even on campus left-wing cancellations aren't unheard of.

gguevaraa 6y ago

Not sure if this fits the bill but here's a story[0]. [0]: https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/harvard-grad-claira-janover-fired-over-tiktok-stab-threat-raises-money-online/ https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/harvard-grad-claira-janover-fi...

buboard 6y ago
thats not even an extreme leftist opinion, that's terrorism.
donw 6y ago
I'm not sure that really fits. Her anger is the problem. She was going to work with Deloitte, where she will represent her organization in front of clients that regularly sign off on invoices that resemble less a major purchase and more the GDP of a small country. Imagine that you have a business. Would you hire such an angry, callous, and impulsive person to represent you in front of clients? Unless the name of your business starts with "B" and ends with "ank of America", the answer is probably "no". Folks on the right are saying that she called for stabbing conservatives. I don't think that's true. She was using metaphor -- comparing being stabbed to having a paper cut -- and just did it exceedingly poorly. The metaphor doesn't become clear unless you watch until the end of the video, and I don't know a lot of people, conservative or liberal, that are all that interested in watching the entirety of a video where they are being offered a complementary stabbing, just so that they can get the punchline. If you post a video of you start off by repeating, over and over, "I am going to $VERB you", then don't be surprised when people interpret your message as, "I am going to $VERB you". Finally: imagine that we flip her political orientation, and that she recored an angry video where she used a metaphor in which she talks about shooting BLM supporters. She would likely be in jail. There is a political difference in how both threats and actual violence are treated in the United States, and it favors the Left.

ThrowawayR2 6y ago

> "Nobody has been cancelled for expressing leftwing-or extreme leftwing- ideas" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism seem like the obvious counterexamples.

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cma 6y ago

Here's an example: Kapernick.

prepend 6y ago
Isn’t he making more from his ads and speaking and board seats?