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>perfectly reasonable for them to cut off your access to their service, as long as it's within the legal bounds of the ToS. I don't think companies should be di

>perfectly reasonable for them to cut off your access to their service, as long as it's within the legal bounds of the ToS. I don't think companies should be directly regulated/penalized for banning users. I don't believe you really meant what you said there. Private companies aren't allowed to ban users because of their race. Do you want them to have that freedom and allow segregation? Or perhaps you only accept that because it's already the law and you would have opposed civil rights laws had you been around before they were introduced?

jjjensen90 6y ago
I realize you've made a weak straw man argument here, but there are important distinctions that need to be made in discussions about platform/user base moderation. While there are classes of people protected from discrimination by civil rights laws, what is not protected is discrimination or refusal of service for customers based on what they do rather than who they are. Banning someone for cheating, harassment, circumventing moderation, etc is not comparable for banning users of a certain race, and even attempting to equivocate them is a weak argument.
- lopmotr 6y ago
  Sure. But Paulchap made a general statement without any of those distinctions. People often make such broad statements of belief when they're trying to make their position sound powerful and important but end up contradicting their actual beliefs. If you restrict it to a certain case or list a bunch of exceptions, it sounds less fundamental or important and makes it look more arbitrary. But that's more honest. Most people's beliefs about right and wrong are arbitrary, not based on any fundamental principles, and there really isn't much of a defense for them other than "well, that just happens to be what I believe."
  - mynameisvlad 6y ago
    Paulchap literally said "as long as it's within the legal bounds of the ToS". Discrimination against race or another protected class falls outside of the "legal bounds of the ToS". They already accounted for the case you're trying to argue against.
    - lopmotr 6y ago
      Yes. Like I said, if the law allowed it, he would support racial discrimination too, according to his statement.
      - mynameisvlad 6y ago
        That's the most liberal reading of a statement I've heard in a long time.
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jjjensen90 6y ago

I realize you've made a weak straw man argument here, but there are important distinctions that need to be made in discussions about platform/user base moderation. While there are classes of people protected from discrimination by civil rights laws, what is not protected is discrimination or refusal of service for customers based on what they do rather than who they are. Banning someone for cheating, harassment, circumventing moderation, etc is not comparable for banning users of a certain race, and even attempting to equivocate them is a weak argument.

lopmotr 6y ago
Sure. But Paulchap made a general statement without any of those distinctions. People often make such broad statements of belief when they're trying to make their position sound powerful and important but end up contradicting their actual beliefs. If you restrict it to a certain case or list a bunch of exceptions, it sounds less fundamental or important and makes it look more arbitrary. But that's more honest. Most people's beliefs about right and wrong are arbitrary, not based on any fundamental principles, and there really isn't much of a defense for them other than "well, that just happens to be what I believe."
- mynameisvlad 6y ago
  Paulchap literally said "as long as it's within the legal bounds of the ToS". Discrimination against race or another protected class falls outside of the "legal bounds of the ToS". They already accounted for the case you're trying to argue against.
  - lopmotr 6y ago
    Yes. Like I said, if the law allowed it, he would support racial discrimination too, according to his statement.
    - mynameisvlad 6y ago
      That's the most liberal reading of a statement I've heard in a long time.

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