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Space Jam's 1996 website is still alive
- smaili 6y agoAnd still browser compatible :)
- bitdotdash 6y agoloads very fast too!
- dang 6y agoIf curious see also 2019 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20473522 2020 (1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22216203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22216203 (apparently it took 23 years to notice: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=spacejam.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=spacejam.com)
- jaredsohn 6y agoHacker News wasn't around that whole time. But the fact that spacejam.com was still around was a big deal a few years ago (don't remember when I first heard that.) From some googling, it looks like 2010 is when this made news (via reddit).
- codetrotter 6y agoIt’s been discussed on HN multiple other times too in addition to the ones mentioned here. For example, here is a discussion about it on HN from 2010: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2050807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2050807 I remember because it was around that time I first started browsing HN.
- fiblye 6y agoWhat's truly impressive is if you decide to creep a bit, you'll see that loads of users from that thread still post on HN pretty actively. HN has an insanely high retention rate for being just a little news sharing site. Most people get bored, pissed off, or uninterested at some point and leave. Looking at 10 year old tweet threads or reddit comment sections is basically a graveyard in comparison. Not sure what keeps people sticking around here. In a couple days, it'll have been 10 years for me. Crazy.
- fireattack 6y agoYou mentioned Reddit being a graveyard, but is it true? Check this thread someone linked above from 9 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_that_the_space_jam_website_is_still_up_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_th... I clicked about 20 profiles, at least 70% are still active. Actually, I think this phenomenon probably is pretty common for websites that are still on rising or at least hold still (like both HN and Reddit). Their initial users don't just leave for no reason. Less active, perhaps.
- chc 6y agoIt's been regularly mentioned on Twitter since pretty much forever, so I guess that was just when somebody saw a tweet and decided to post it here.
- baddox 6y agoIt has been a commonly-shared fun fact in Internet culture for as long as I can remember. Reddit from 2010: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_that_the_space_jam_website_is_still_up_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_th...
- olingern 6y agoTitles! I think 1996 maybe helped this.
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- chrisco255 6y agoHmm, needs more <marquee>
- aquabeagle 6y agoAs is Heaven's Gate's website - http://heavensgate.com/ http://heavensgate.com/
- xtracto 6y agoI remember seeing that in the news when I was 16 years old. At that time the Internet was just starting in my country so the news came in a local news broadcasting. It was crazy.
- madrox 6y agoThis is actually wild to me. How is it being powered? Did they just pay a hosting provider decades in advance?
- andai 6y agoTwo members stayed behind. I heard recently they still respond to email. >two group members were briefed about a side mission. They would remain on Earth – the last surviving members – and their job was to maintain the Heaven’s Gate website exactly as it was on the day the last suicides took place. >And for two decades, the lone Gaters have diligently continued their mission, answered queries, paid bills and dealt with problems. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/two-decades-after-heavens-gate-10158830 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/two-decades-after-h...
- rovr138 6y agoWondered how well it would rank on those insight scores, https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacejam.com%2F https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=... Looks like 80kb and they still find things.
- pcurve 6y ago98 on first try, 97 on refresh. 99 on 2nd refresh. Are they just making stuff up?
- hbosch 6y agoIf they were making stuff up, you'd think at least their own Google.com would score higher than a 76.
- baddox 6y agoThat’s an extremely small variation in score. Why would that make you think they’re making stuff up? Networks and servers don’t always respond with identical timings.
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- pcurve 6y agoYes, 98, 97, 99 are small. But when I punched in Google.com, I got 84, and then 78, then 90. That's a pretty wide range.
- dafman 6y agoThere's a bit about the variability here: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/blob/master/docs/variability.md https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/blob/master/docs/...
- racl101 6y agoReminds me of that quote from Ryan from the Office: I'm such a perfectionist that I'd kinda rather not do it at all, than do a crappy version. Seems that Google's software shares that mentality.
- rob74 6y agoYou can't finish the quiz though - you get stuck on this page: https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz6.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz6.html Should I contact Warner?
- dylan604 6y agowebmaster@spacejam.com would be a starting place
- SquishyPanda23 6y agoI'm curious how this happens. Obviously the site owner is intionally keeping the site up and dealing with outages. But I wonder why?
- electricslpnsld 6y ago> But I wonder why? Publicity for Space Jam 2?
- bdcravens 6y agoIt's been up for years, well before Space Jam 2 was even in the works.
- bawolff 6y agoIts quite possibly literally just a bunch of static html files. There is not much maintenance cost there. They probably run all their static sites from the same webservers. It may very well be the same effort to keep it as to delete it.
- daveevad 6y agothere's no way it's being maintained on same software. so how would you make it bullet proof, just s3 and cloudfront? so what would you say it costs a year to run?
- rnotaro 6y agoIt's just some basic HTML and CSS. You can basically serve it from a Raspberry Pi for free. Warner is hosting it, it probably cost them almost nothing more than usual.
- bdcravens 6y agoIt's running on a fairly current version of Apache, but aside from keeping the server up to date, it conceivably could be running the same setup for years. For an organization the size of Warner Bros, it's essentially free, as they are literally doing nothing to the server for that site specifically. However, it does look like it's running on AWS using their global accelerator (globally optimized traffic) so I assume it's sufficiently robust.
- fignews 6y agoEach page has a funny <!— comment —>
- saganus 6y agoUnrelated but, one old page I miss is www.whatisthematrix.com It just redirects to www.warnerbros.com/movies/matrix/ now :(
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoDon't they have a new matrix movie coming out next year? Would be good occasion to bring back the old one.
- bgutierrez 6y agoI made a few close friends there in the chat, where other hacker wannabes and philosophy neophytes would gather. The chat forum had fun weird bugs that my friends and I would play with in order to edit past posts, or obliterate each other's posts. It was wonderful little corner of the web for a short while. That was just one part of that great site. In 1999, the Internet still felt new and full of potential. I loved all the concept art posted there, the trailers, and finding easter eggs. Years later I recreated the full chat for my friends, including the bugs. It
- rnotaro 6y agoThe website moved a lot. See the Web Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20041015000000*/spacejam.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20041015000000*/spacejam.com/ Some years it redirects to WB's website, sometimes to an archive website, etc. It seems that the original was not accessible between 2000 and 2018.
- pryce 6y agoIt is hardly surprising that they'd reactivate it. A new Space Jam movie[1] is coming out next year. I know this somehow and am not proud of it. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3554046/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3554046/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
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- culturestate 6y ago> I know this somehow and am not proud of it. Anyone who has even casually followed the NBA over the last two years probably knows this too, so you've got plenty of company.
- baddox 6y agoInteresting. I would have sworn that I remember “the Space Jam website is still up” being a common fun fact on the internet when I was in college 10 years ago.
- baddox 6y agoIn fact, here’s a reddit post about this fun fact from 2010: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_that_the_space_jam_website_is_still_up_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/esxwd/til_th...
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- deckarep 6y agoNeeds moar stars! It’s such a nostalgic feeling of the earlier web back when just interest groups, universities, fan pages, web-rings ruled the web. Back before it became commercialized by greedy folks that threw ads all over the place, tracked everything you do and spammed the hell out of your inbox. I miss the good ‘ol days for what the web was intended for. One of my first projects was maintaining the site for: Looney Tunes Teaches the Internet. If you look hard enough it’s still out there.
- ethbro 6y agoThe best thing about the early web was that nobody knew what it was for. So people just did things, without considering if it was "right." Nowadays, you'd never get Bob's Labrador Page. Because "Hi! I'm Bob. I live in Lebanon, Kansas. I like Labrador dogs. Here are some pictures of my favorite Labradors!"
- AndrewKemendo 6y agoThose pages still exist, except instead of being hosted on geocities.com/area51/bobslabs it's on instagram.com/bobslabs Not that much of a difference really IMO
- ethanwillis 6y agoThe difference is that the only way you're allowed to be creative are in the ways defined by the corporation that hosts your content.
- parasubvert 6y agoSome would call that emancipation: you’re freed to create if you never were going to be able to learn how to publish your own web page.
- ethanwillis 6y agoI don't really find this argument convincing because it was plenty easy to publish your own webpage. I did it at 9/10 years old and I don't want to believe that your average adult has less capability than a child. I think we're doing a disservice by infantilizing people.
- desktopninja 6y agoI wonder how it will compare to: Space Jam: A New Legacy (2021) Website and Movie :)
- hedora 6y agoOh no! The mime types for the desktop “backboards” aren’t set right! My phone can’t render the Windows-compatible files or the Mac files! https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/souvenirs/patternsframes.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/souvenirs/patternsframes.html
- bkohlmann 6y agoThe website may be the same, but at least they've "updated their privacy policy" in the lower left!
- bonestamp2 6y agoThe omniture javascript code is copyrighted 2008 as well.
- rammy1234 6y ago<!-- Badda Bing, Badda Boom --> from page source
- mhh__ 6y agoI try to leave little notes and jokes in HTML source because from when I was growing up playing with computers to now I still look at the source just to see if someone was expecting me. It's not very common now, unfortunately.
- golem14 6y agoNeat! OTOH, Peter Suber's Nomic page must win the contest "who has the biggest dead-to-live link ratio": https://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/nomic.htm https://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/nomic.htm
- godzillabrennus 6y agoAleksandar Totic from the original mosaic team has his website still up. http://totic.org/nscp/index.html http://totic.org/nscp/index.html Personally I enjoyed this bit: http://totic.org/nscp/swirl/swirl.html http://totic.org/nscp/swirl/swirl.html If Aleksandar reads hacker news I hope he never takes that down.
- fearingreprisal 6y ago"So far, I haven't received any swirl pictures from the outside world. I find this hard to believe that we are the only ones enjoying this activity." Hard to believe, isn't it...
- rconti 6y agoWe called them "swirlies" in middle school/high school. But I've never actually seen someone get one, and it could well be mostly apocryphal. And it wasn't something you sought out, it was like, you were getting bullied.
- chrisco255 6y agoI liked this quote from the page: "Tim Berners-Lee on home page: Q. The idea of the "home page" evolved in a different direction. A. Yes. With all respect, the personal home page is not a private expression; it's a public billboard that people work on to say what they're interested in. That's not as interesting to me as people using it in their private lives. It's exhibitionism, if you like. Or self-expression. It's openness, and it's great in a way, it's people letting the community into their homes. But it's not really their home. They may call it a home page, but it's more like the gnome in somebody's front yard than the home itself. People don't have the tools for using the Web for their homes, or for organizing their private lives; they don't really put their scrapbooks on the Web. They don't have family Webs. There are many distributed families nowadays, especially in the high-tech fields, so it would be quite reasonable to do that, yet I don't know of any. One reason is that most people don't have the ability to publish with restricted access." Basically was describing the concept of social networks before they existed on the web.
- abiogenesis 6y ago> Unfortunately, this only works on a Macintosh running Netscape [1] This is the most specific "best viewed with..." message I have seen. [1] https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/souvenirs/iconsframes.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/souvenirs/iconsframes.html
- edbaskerville 6y agoIt's even crazier than that. That page suggests using ResEdit to modify the Netscape application to feature their spinnning basketball icon rather than the standard "N". (ResEdit was Apple's editor for data in the resource fork of HFS files, which classic Mac apps used to store their assets. Mac OS X abandoned this interesting but unusual approach in favor of the NeXT way, ".app" directory hierarchies.)
- jdofaz 6y agoI was surprised by that too, it would be kind of like the new Trolls movie advising kids to make tweaks in windows registry. Hope they don't make any mistakes :D
- ufmace 6y agoWell that really takes me back! It was pretty cool how classic Mac apps had most images, text strings, that sort of thing in the standardized resource fork structure. Which meant that you usually could alter a bunch of things about an app's appearance and sometimes behavior by editing those resources with a standard editor.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoIt’s not really a message about browser compatibility. They’re explaining how to change a specific icon on a Mac. Unsurprisingly, a tutorial written for a specific system will only work on that system.
- WSSP 6y agoI love it every time I see it linked
- benatkin 6y agoAlmost all the links here, and all the interesting ones, are gone: https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/bball/nbaframes.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/bball/nbaframes.html The only remaining ones are ones I already knew about - nba.com and Yahoo! Sports.
- koz1000 6y ago1994 checking in! http://www.lysator.liu.se/pinball/expo/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/pinball/expo/ Is anyone from Linköping University reading this? I need to thank them for 26 years of free hosting. :-)
- caf 6y agoYou should really get around to finishing those pages that link to http://www.lysator.liu.se/pinball/expo/unfinished.html http://www.lysator.liu.se/pinball/expo/unfinished.html any decade now.
- S_A_P 6y agoWhen I was in college I remember discovering the "Master Zap" website on this domain. It was a musician/software developer who made a few software odds and ends. One of those being Stomper an analog style drum synthesis program. I have great memories of spending hours trying to re-create each sound from a TR-808. Taught me a lot about synthesis. Also really got me writing code and learning C... EDIT- ITS STILL THERE :D http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/ http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/
- bfirsh 6y agoIt's got a status page, too: https://twitter.com/spacejamcheck?lang=en https://twitter.com/spacejamcheck?lang=en
- gonzo41 6y agoGreat load speed!
- mkoryak 6y agolooking through the source, there are a number of commented out links. Here is one: https://www.spacejam.com/video/ https://www.spacejam.com/video/
- muppetman 6y agoMy fan website for the Australian Band The Baby Animals from 1994 is still online. http://southcom.com.au/~tim/ http://southcom.com.au/~tim/
- JoshGlazebrook 6y agoI love that 404 page
- mcovalt 6y agoMy mechanic’s website is a work of old-school art. http://www.waspauto.com/ http://www.waspauto.com/
- jamiek88 6y agoThat meet the staff part was delightful.
- aylmao 6y agoI think funnily enough, one thing that made these old websites more interesting is how slow the web was back then. In a way it was "animation"— I'd look at images more closely as they "scanned" into the page and notice details I don't think I would now. In a way the fact that all these pages load instantly now is a bit of a downer. Maybe because there's no anticipation any more, or maybe just because the page seems more static and unchanging.
- mprovost 6y agoI was webmaster for this site (and thousands of others at WB) back in 2001! I believe this was when we did the great www -> www2 migration, which was of course supposed to be temporary. In fact I think that was when we migrated from our own datacentre to AOL's but I could be getting the timing wrong. Back then it was served from a Sun E4500 running Solaris (7?) and Netscape Enterprise Server. Netscape had been acquired by AOL which had also just bought Time Warner (that's why we moved to their datacentre) but somehow we couldn't make the internal accounting work and still had to buy server licenses. Fun fact, unlike Apache, NES enabled the HTTP DELETE method out of the box and it had to be disabled in your config. We found that out the hard way when one of the sysadmins ran a vulnerability scanner which deleted all the websites. We were forbidden from running scans again by management. Another fun fact about NES - they were really pushing server side Javascript as the development language for the web (and mostly losing to mod_perl). Also back in 2001 but at a different place I worked with the person who had just written a book on server side js for O'Reilly - he got his advance but they didn't publish it because by the time he had finished it they considered it a "dead technology". Our job was basically to maintain an enormous config file for the webserver which was 99% redirects because they would buy every conceivable domain name for a movie which would all redirect to the canonical one. Famously they couldn't get a hold of matrix.com and had to use whatisthematrix.com. Us sysadmins ran our own IRC server and "302" was shorthand for "let's go" - "302 to a meeting". "302" on its own was "lunchtime". I still mention maintaining this site on my CV and LinkedIn - disappointingly I've never been asked about it in an interview. I suspect most of the people doing the interviewing these days are too young to remember it.
- kalleboo 6y agoBut it’s on HTTPS now, so you can’t actually load it on an old computer
- mattl 6y agoVia a proxy.
- ngcc_hk 6y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/hong-kong-security-law-fear.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/hong-kong-security-... The last part is reading in conjunction with this made me feel ... is web site more safe at least easier to be preserved than social media? I do not doubt whether one program can deep delete social media messages, at least one can ship one's web site as an archive and it is still readable. Priatebay like but for individual ... so easy to silence in social media compared with well Space Jam.
- lowwave 6y agoAs how a web site ought to be, online forever!
- Animats 6y agoOh, that turkey. The movie, not the web site. I once went to an industry presentation where someone on that project described the workflow.The project got into a cycle where the animators would animate on first shift, rendering was on second shift, printing to film was done on third shift. The next morning, the director, producer, and too many studio execs would look at the rushes from the overnight rendering. Changes would be ordered, and the cycle repeated. The scene where the "talent" is being sucked out of players had problems with the "slime" effect. Production was stuck there for weeks as a new thing was tried each day. All the versions of this, of which there were far too many, were shown to us. Way over budget. Cost about $80 million to make, which was huge in 1996. For comparison, Goldeneye (1995) cost $60 million.
- trengorilla 6y agoAwful film. I was listening to the radio the other day and they had a 10 year old on saying Toy Story was cringe and he preferred Space Jam. I've never been so appalled just listening to radio.
- bananamerica 6y agoWhat are you talking about? Space Jam is great fun!
- doktrin 6y agoIf nothing else, the soundtrack is a really fun throwback. The monstar track with coolio, busta rhymes, method man et al is super catchy.
- latexr 6y agoWhy are you bothered by a child’s opinion on children’s movies? You’ll likely never meet the kid, and one’s sense of taste at that age is hardly definitive. For someone that young, visuals tend to take precedent over story. I, for one, am glad to see a younger generation appreciate 2D animation (which still looks acceptable in Space Jam) over 3D (which looks dated in Toy Story).
- gpickett00 6y agoNo hit counter :(
- arkis22 6y agogod damn monstars
- sillysaurusx 6y agoI love that 1996 HTML solved deep linking. It works flawlessly: https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz1a.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz1a.html Look, I just linked to a wrong answer the middle of a quiz. It perfectly preserved all the state. (Fun quiz, too.) This is mostly a tongue in cheek argument, but it has the benefit of being true. Sadly the quiz seems broken at question 6. But you can even un-break the quiz by manually editing the URL to question 7: https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz7.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz7.html Imagine trying to do that with a React app. (And I say that as a fan of react apps.) The ending of the quiz is hilarious, by the way.
- onion2k 6y agoImagine trying to do that with a React app. It'd work fine if the developer used the URL to maintain state with React Router's BrowserRouter or HashRouter.
- recursive 6y agoIn other words, not by default.
- onion2k 6y agoNo, but even back in 1996 you didn't have to use the URL to store the state of a user's game. They could have used a cookie (supported in Mosaic since around 1994), or used a server-side session (I think was cgi::session a thing back then). That was a technical decision someone made. Those sorts of choices when you're speccing a web app haven't changed. These days it would be a bit unusual to use routing to store the game state admittedly but that's why it's good to have older devs like 43-year-old me on the team. I actually think about these sorts of details rather than using the defaults. It's also worth noting that storing the state in the URL shouldn't be the default. Being able to see the state by reading the address bar would be a security issue for most apps.
- rbanffy 6y ago
- yellowapple 6y agohttps://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz2.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/lineup/quiz2.html Amusingly, exactly none of these answers are correct anymore (at least not until 2028, then again in 2031).
- skytreader 6y agoYou know, back in high school when I was learning HTML + JavaScript, I was really looking forward to creating websites that took "longer" to load[1]. Because I have associated that with complexity (understandable), and I associate complexity with coding professionally. Now that I _am_ coding professionally, I just wish websites would load simple as this, with interfaces as simple as this. None of that fancy image preloading, or disappearing/reappearing navbars, or those sidebars that scrolled independently from the main page content. Then again, what memories are those which time will not sweeten, right? [1] Caveat: with the dial-up connections then, all it took were enough images for a site to load slow. So I wanted mine to take "longer"!
- josefresco 6y agoThere was an obsession for a while with advanced Flash websites to design interfaces that extensive and complication transitions and loading screens. Best example being "2advanced".
- dgemm 6y agoArtificial waits are still a thing all over the place, because people trust results more when they seem to take some work to produce: https://www.fastcompany.com/3061519/the-ux-secret-that-will-ruin-apps-for-you https://www.fastcompany.com/3061519/the-ux-secret-that-will-...
- j45 6y agoOh, sitemaps. Maybe something like this could be a way to give a summary of a website again. https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/sitemap.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/sitemap.html
- ricardo81 6y agoFascinating. The web has changed so much and so quickly over 25 years. Looking at https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/jump/linksframes.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/jump/linksframes.html Self-evident how bad link rot can be! I think one of the links still work. A few in there point to the old Yahoo Directory.
- rawoke083600 6y agoOf course it is still alive. It's one of those fixed-space-time-points that all the bloody turtles and elephants are balanced on. WE take that down, who knows where and when we will end up !?
- rawoke083600 6y agoWhat would the "PageRank" value be, if this site links to you ? Such an "old , esteemed" site should have some "High-XP/Google-Juice" Value ?
- anoplus 6y agoSeriously, modern websites should load as fast as this one
- _0o6v 6y agoI love/hate the fact it's had a cookie banner added
- djhworld 6y agohttps://www.spacejam.com/cmp/pressbox/credits.html https://www.spacejam.com/cmp/pressbox/credits.html Love the shout outs to the people who made the site
- anoncow 6y agoIt is down now.
- shortlived 6y agoLooks like it's received the HN hug of death The connection has timed out The server at www.spacejam.com is taking too long to respond.
- llacb47 6y agoSame here...
- opqpo 6y ago*was
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- vinniejames 6y agoNational treasure
- ricardoplouis 6y agoWould be a shame if someone added a..... JavaScript framework to it.
- itskwanyall 6y ago..Did all the traffic from being on front page of HN take it down?
- kyoob 6y agoI use this site to calibrate my team's automated visual diff regression testing stack.
- fudgy73 6y agodark mode before it was cool.
- ninju 6y agoEven the website cert has just been renewed (on Jun 12, 2020) HTTPS is gaining traction :-) I wonder if they will upgrade to HTTP/2
- akouri 6y agoI miss the days when the web used to be this snappy and fast
- garfieldnate 6y agoI love this! "The jamminest two minutes of trailer time that ever hit a theater. It's 7.5 megs, it's Quicktime, and it's worth it. Click the graphic to download..."
- jmcgough 6y agoSome day it'll get taken down and we'll all be sad.
- anta40 6y agoJust curious, why this particular website is still being keep alive? Nothing against it, though :D
- Jaruzel 6y agoThe source code of each page contains a small little easter egg comment at the top, btw.