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...literally toxic? Like people ingesting poisonous substances because someone told them it's keto?

by neilk 6y ago

texasbigdata 6y ago
Crazy revenue model, killing your customers that is.
- freeqaz 6y ago
  Taking a page straight from the sugar industry!
muzani 6y ago
Atkins diet: "Start at 25g of carb, and increase it slightly over a period of time" Local variation: "Never eat more than 25g carb" "Drink lots of water. Eat a tablespoon of butter with every meal." "Passing out is normal. Your body is detoxing itself." "Soy sauce contains sugar. Substitute all your sugar with these substances." "Yes, keto is expensive, but you can save costs by eating eggs and drinking lots of water. I eat 10 eggs a day and I'm just fine." "If you want to further accelerate fat loss, here are some pills you can get. They're not approved by the health ministry, but the health ministry is bought out by Nestle and trying to get you to eat sugar and carbs." Anyone who goes outside this norm gets bullied and banned from the community. It's really tempting to just blindly agree and let people kill themselves if your salary is coming from such a community. There's a saying that users don't buy drills, they buy holes. The 'hole' here is that a keto dieter wants to lose 20kg in 2 weeks. Many are willing to die to achieve it; there's lots of stories of people who are crash dieting for a wedding or whose husbands have left them. Keto diets are misleading too. A lot of the weight loss comes from water, not fat. The rapid fat loss gives the diet credibility, especially when someone has tried other things and only lost about 2kg with exercise and reduced calories. Once you've established that credibility, you can tell them anything. It's nice to have a business where people will blindly agree to buy whatever you sell them, but I don't want to deal with that kind of responsibility.
- imtringued 6y ago
  I'm very confused. Shouldn't it be obvious that the only sustainable way to reduce weight is slowly over long periods of time? I have no idea how the human body works but surely starving yourself for 2 weeks and then going back to your previous diet will not be very effective.
  - muzani 6y ago
    I'm not a doctor, but losing weight is not as simple as cutting calories. Keto diets get the body to store less fat and focus on burning fat rather than glucose as its primary fuel supply. I'll link WebMD if that clears things: https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is... If you eat nothing but butter and eggs for a week straight you'll get drastic weight loss. It is common sense that cutting calories and exercise is effective. So if you do follow a a strict no carb diet, you'll be surprised at how much more effective it is, without going hungry. You get a lot of delicious things on the menu - meat, butter, eggs, oil, milk, cheese, meat, butter. And my role as a developer is to show how you can combine those things into something edible, like flaxseed pizza, konjac stew, and bringing sugar free sweeteners back into their life. After a week on this diet, bread will suddenly seem like the best thing in the world, and you'll find yourself happy to throw money at the app that sells you flaxseed bread.
  - jjk166 6y ago
    Well the idea is that it took you years to put on the weight as your normal lifestyle is close to equilibrium calories consumed = calories burned. If you knock off the weight and maintain that same equilibrium then you should stay close to the reduced weight for some time. Of course in reality people's metabolisms and dieting habits change under such drastic circumstances so the equilibrium assumption doesn't hold up. That being said, there are plenty of people who don't care if they put all the weight back on in a few months so long as they have that beach bod for the summer.

...literally toxic? Like people ingesting poisonous substances because someone told them it's keto?

by neilk 6y ago

...literally toxic? Like people ingesting poisonous substances because someone told them it's keto?

texasbigdata 6y ago

Crazy revenue model, killing your customers that is.

freeqaz 6y ago
Taking a page straight from the sugar industry!

muzani 6y ago

Atkins diet: "Start at 25g of carb, and increase it slightly over a period of time" Local variation: "Never eat more than 25g carb" "Drink lots of water. Eat a tablespoon of butter with every meal." "Passing out is normal. Your body is detoxing itself." "Soy sauce contains sugar. Substitute all your sugar with these substances." "Yes, keto is expensive, but you can save costs by eating eggs and drinking lots of water. I eat 10 eggs a day and I'm just fine." "If you want to further accelerate fat loss, here are some pills you can get. They're not approved by the health ministry, but the health ministry is bought out by Nestle and trying to get you to eat sugar and carbs." Anyone who goes outside this norm gets bullied and banned from the community. It's really tempting to just blindly agree and let people kill themselves if your salary is coming from such a community. There's a saying that users don't buy drills, they buy holes. The 'hole' here is that a keto dieter wants to lose 20kg in 2 weeks. Many are willing to die to achieve it; there's lots of stories of people who are crash dieting for a wedding or whose husbands have left them. Keto diets are misleading too. A lot of the weight loss comes from water, not fat. The rapid fat loss gives the diet credibility, especially when someone has tried other things and only lost about 2kg with exercise and reduced calories. Once you've established that credibility, you can tell them anything. It's nice to have a business where people will blindly agree to buy whatever you sell them, but I don't want to deal with that kind of responsibility.

imtringued 6y ago
I'm very confused. Shouldn't it be obvious that the only sustainable way to reduce weight is slowly over long periods of time? I have no idea how the human body works but surely starving yourself for 2 weeks and then going back to your previous diet will not be very effective.
- muzani 6y ago
  I'm not a doctor, but losing weight is not as simple as cutting calories. Keto diets get the body to store less fat and focus on burning fat rather than glucose as its primary fuel supply. I'll link WebMD if that clears things: https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is-ketosis https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/type-1-diabetes-guide/what-is... If you eat nothing but butter and eggs for a week straight you'll get drastic weight loss. It is common sense that cutting calories and exercise is effective. So if you do follow a a strict no carb diet, you'll be surprised at how much more effective it is, without going hungry. You get a lot of delicious things on the menu - meat, butter, eggs, oil, milk, cheese, meat, butter. And my role as a developer is to show how you can combine those things into something edible, like flaxseed pizza, konjac stew, and bringing sugar free sweeteners back into their life. After a week on this diet, bread will suddenly seem like the best thing in the world, and you'll find yourself happy to throw money at the app that sells you flaxseed bread.
- jjk166 6y ago
  Well the idea is that it took you years to put on the weight as your normal lifestyle is close to equilibrium calories consumed = calories burned. If you knock off the weight and maintain that same equilibrium then you should stay close to the reduced weight for some time. Of course in reality people's metabolisms and dieting habits change under such drastic circumstances so the equilibrium assumption doesn't hold up. That being said, there are plenty of people who don't care if they put all the weight back on in a few months so long as they have that beach bod for the summer.