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Facebook doesn't even remove groups that people use to encourage and coordinate actual real-life murder: https://popular.info/p/murder-exposes-facebooks-boogalo

Facebook doesn't even remove groups that people use to encourage and coordinate actual real-life murder: https://popular.info/p/murder-exposes-facebooks-boogaloo https://popular.info/p/murder-exposes-facebooks-boogaloo

throwawaysea 6y ago
By my understanding, the boogaloo thing is mostly a meme used as a joke about prepping, like for "SHTF" (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SHTF https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SHTF). For example, "I need [some flashy firearm] for the boog". There are some people/groups who have co-opted that branding and are actually intending violence, but those are in the minority. That's why the Facebook announcement specifically takes a nuanced approach in identifying only a subset of those groups as problematic. From https://about.fb.com/news/2020/06/banning-a-violent-network-in-the-us/ https://about.fb.com/news/2020/06/banning-a-violent-network-...: > This network uses the term boogaloo but is distinct from the broader and loosely-affiliated boogaloo movement because it actively seeks to commit violence. This is also why a lot of the articles attacking Facebook for hosting boogaloo content are plain wrong. To many they come off as unhinged fake news simply because they don't see that the most common use of 'boogaloo' is as a joke.
- burkaman 6y ago
  > There are some people/groups who have co-opted that branding and are actually intending violence, but those are in the minority. All violent people are in the minority. Even among those who spread literal Nazi propaganda (swastikas, Mein Kampf quotes, etc.), only a small percentage are willing to physically attack Jews. If this isn't a problem, then what's the point of removing any hateful content at all? Only a small minority of people posting it are really violent.
- gadders 6y ago
  Yes, but they are likely Trump voters, so any vague accusation of "hate speech" (like intentionally not realising what is satire) will be one further step in preventing his re-election in November. Let's be clear that this is the end goal.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
  The boogaloo crowd is the exact type of crowd to say "oh it's just a joke" just before committing acts of violence. They know as well as anyone that being ironic will attract those who have the same beliefs unironically.
tw04 6y ago
I love that they say they won't allow boogaloo groups that are directly encouraging/posting violent meme's. At this point the group has stated their goal is the downfall of the US government. I don't care if they have a group that posts pictures of roses and baby giraffe's - the group's stated mission is violence. They shouldn't be allowed on the site at ALL. The fact they are just re-enforces that facebook is more concerned with advertising dollars than doing the right thing.

throwawaysea 6y ago

By my understanding, the boogaloo thing is mostly a meme used as a joke about prepping, like for "SHTF" (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SHTF https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SHTF). For example, "I need [some flashy firearm] for the boog". There are some people/groups who have co-opted that branding and are actually intending violence, but those are in the minority. That's why the Facebook announcement specifically takes a nuanced approach in identifying only a subset of those groups as problematic. From https://about.fb.com/news/2020/06/banning-a-violent-network-in-the-us/ https://about.fb.com/news/2020/06/banning-a-violent-network-...: > This network uses the term boogaloo but is distinct from the broader and loosely-affiliated boogaloo movement because it actively seeks to commit violence. This is also why a lot of the articles attacking Facebook for hosting boogaloo content are plain wrong. To many they come off as unhinged fake news simply because they don't see that the most common use of 'boogaloo' is as a joke.

burkaman 6y ago
> There are some people/groups who have co-opted that branding and are actually intending violence, but those are in the minority. All violent people are in the minority. Even among those who spread literal Nazi propaganda (swastikas, Mein Kampf quotes, etc.), only a small percentage are willing to physically attack Jews. If this isn't a problem, then what's the point of removing any hateful content at all? Only a small minority of people posting it are really violent.
gadders 6y ago
Yes, but they are likely Trump voters, so any vague accusation of "hate speech" (like intentionally not realising what is satire) will be one further step in preventing his re-election in November. Let's be clear that this is the end goal.
GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
The boogaloo crowd is the exact type of crowd to say "oh it's just a joke" just before committing acts of violence. They know as well as anyone that being ironic will attract those who have the same beliefs unironically.

tw04 6y ago

I love that they say they won't allow boogaloo groups that are directly encouraging/posting violent meme's. At this point the group has stated their goal is the downfall of the US government. I don't care if they have a group that posts pictures of roses and baby giraffe's - the group's stated mission is violence. They shouldn't be allowed on the site at ALL. The fact they are just re-enforces that facebook is more concerned with advertising dollars than doing the right thing.