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Here is one: when you switched on a C64, the booting(startup) took probably less than 3 seconds. Booting a notebook these days takes longer (luckily it is not a

Here is one: when you switched on a C64, the booting(startup) took probably less than 3 seconds. Booting a notebook these days takes longer (luckily it is not as bad as when we didnt have SSDs). But generally I do not think the premise is correct. Loading a game from a datasette took easily 15 minutes (later there was acceleration only a few minutes)

marcosdumay 6y ago
Loading a game from a floopy was much faster than loading a modern game as soon as floppies became popular enough to carry games. Loading a game from a cardigde (what was usual at the time) was much faster than anything we use now, but this is not a fair comparison.
- pdimitar 6y ago
  Why isn't it a fair comparison? If my mother's only criteria is how fast does something load then why should she care about anything else? It's a fact that nowadays a lot of apps are very slow, on computers and phones alike -- and socially and culturally that's unacceptable for non-technical people.
  - The_Colonel 6y ago
    If the speed is the only criterium then you can just play old games. It's not fair comparison since the games are completely different beasts today - huge open worlds, detailed textures, complex AIs. Game studios could design games which are super fast to load and play but some other aspect would suffer instead. It's a trade off and it looks like users are OK with waiting a little bit if it means better gameplay.
    - pdimitar 6y ago
      Okay, but how did games enter this global thread's discussion? That's definitely way off-topic. My mom simply wanted instantly loading calendar and grocery list apps. I know that's achievable because I've done (parts of) such apps in the past and they were faster than others. It's not such a stretch to imagine people being frustrated with lags everywhere (and those lags do objectively exist). And I've met a good amount of people frustrated with the current breed of software as well. Modern apps don't bring almost anything new or improved to the table. They should be lightning fast but they are not.
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    > Why isn't it a fair comparison? Cartiges don't have a loading time, and are a technology that is available today, but that people abandoned because they are expensive and difficult to update.
    - pdimitar 6y ago
      All true. I just feel we lost something along the way of ditching the old tech. Responsiveness, less input lag, stuff that you don't dread will spit out a cryptic message while rebooting... And another metric ton of these. :(
      - marcosdumay 6y ago
        Oh, by all means, things should load faster today than what we got with floppy disks, and response should be faster than what we got in an interpreted program in a 8MHz machine. It's just the load time of cartiges that aren't a fair goal.

marcosdumay 6y ago

Loading a game from a floopy was much faster than loading a modern game as soon as floppies became popular enough to carry games. Loading a game from a cardigde (what was usual at the time) was much faster than anything we use now, but this is not a fair comparison.

pdimitar 6y ago
Why isn't it a fair comparison? If my mother's only criteria is how fast does something load then why should she care about anything else? It's a fact that nowadays a lot of apps are very slow, on computers and phones alike -- and socially and culturally that's unacceptable for non-technical people.
- The_Colonel 6y ago
  If the speed is the only criterium then you can just play old games. It's not fair comparison since the games are completely different beasts today - huge open worlds, detailed textures, complex AIs. Game studios could design games which are super fast to load and play but some other aspect would suffer instead. It's a trade off and it looks like users are OK with waiting a little bit if it means better gameplay.
  - pdimitar 6y ago
    Okay, but how did games enter this global thread's discussion? That's definitely way off-topic. My mom simply wanted instantly loading calendar and grocery list apps. I know that's achievable because I've done (parts of) such apps in the past and they were faster than others. It's not such a stretch to imagine people being frustrated with lags everywhere (and those lags do objectively exist). And I've met a good amount of people frustrated with the current breed of software as well. Modern apps don't bring almost anything new or improved to the table. They should be lightning fast but they are not.
- marcosdumay 6y ago
  > Why isn't it a fair comparison? Cartiges don't have a loading time, and are a technology that is available today, but that people abandoned because they are expensive and difficult to update.
  - pdimitar 6y ago
    All true. I just feel we lost something along the way of ditching the old tech. Responsiveness, less input lag, stuff that you don't dread will spit out a cryptic message while rebooting... And another metric ton of these. :(
    - marcosdumay 6y ago
      Oh, by all means, things should load faster today than what we got with floppy disks, and response should be faster than what we got in an interpreted program in a 8MHz machine. It's just the load time of cartiges that aren't a fair goal.