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Not surprised at all, Tik Tok has clear ties to china and with all things china comes the governments control. chances are china was using Tik Tok as a global s

Not surprised at all, Tik Tok has clear ties to china and with all things china comes the governments control. chances are china was using Tik Tok as a global surveillance tool.

johannes1234321 6y ago
And everything from the U.S. comes with prism and national security letters.
- greatjack613 6y ago
  Valid point, but I prefer a democratic govt spying on me then a totalitarian govt with world conquer ambitions, and a history of suppressing minorities
  - lukaa 6y ago
    But just to play devils advocate: It is highly likely that China have spies in Google and Facebook and probably USA have spies in Tik Tok and other big Chinese companies so both China and USA no matter what sw you use already know everything about you. My best argument would be: We can't allow that authoritarian country become tech superior because that will make China economically stronger than USA and than politically which will result in destruction of democracies around world.
    - giancarlostoro 6y ago
      I would be surprised if nobody within Google and co noticed data being siphoned out to China from its internal networks.
      - chii 6y ago
        well they wouldn't be very good spies if that happened. Look at how good russian spies were at infiltrating the gov't : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five , and tell me that china couldn't do the same or better.
        giancarlostoro 6y ago
        This is the 1950s though, infrastructure like Google's is surely to have logs and security teams. Unless they physically shove a USB into a production server and rip content. I'm pretty confident you could secure a data center, the only other way is to install sketchy processing chipsets that phone home or something. You're probably right, they might have some sketchy way, but if you really wanted to see who is doing what with your data from within your data center you could really set controls to do so.
  - bromuro 6y ago
    Wait which one is the US ?
    - jesterson 6y ago
      Your comment made my day, bravo :)
  - Kaze404 6y ago
    Out of all the differences between the US and China you chose to talk about imperialism and racism, some of the few things both have in common. Interesting.
  - Shorel 6y ago
    As someone who was born and lives in neither of these countries, both have conquer ambitions and a history of suppressing minorities. The USA is just much better at pretending everything it does is rightful.
    - freshhawk 6y ago
      Americans do the American Exceptionalism Poe's Law thing nonstop and I alternate between exhaustion and a sense of humor about it. I mean, "a history of suppressing minorities" in the summer of 2020 is very funny. It does feel like Gen Z kids are aware of global events enough to not fall for this, so maybe it is ending.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - johannes1234321 6y ago
      The U.S. certainly invaded more countries and occupied more area than China. While mostly with support from larger number of countries (often incl. UN Security Council)
    - greatjack613 6y ago
      Patently false, the USA does not have conquer ambitions, all of its actions can be traced back to self defense from the beginning of WW2 to today. China on the other hand, screams everyday how it wants to own taiwan. Aggressively threatens any country who dares to touch the south china seas, which it does not own.
- qppo 6y ago
  TIL the code I write has prism backdoors and my boss is hiding the national security letters from me
  - johannes1234321 6y ago
    Well, prism was about secretly added prisms on fiber cables, so yes you won't know. Yes, your boss is not allowed to talk to you about national security letters, unless your specific involvement is needed. I as an outsider can't tell and have to trust. For that I have to evaluate how important your site as a target for such measures is, how likely I am the target and how likely my data is just close to a Target's data and how much of it will be in a full data grab for later usage.
- kortilla 6y ago
  FISA courts at least require a judge to sign off and that judge often doesn’t give a shit about the exec branch. There are no balances in the CCP. They just inform the party representative at the company (all big companies have them) that X or Y needs to happen and it does or else the company gets shut down.
  - johannes1234321 6y ago
    Well, FISC judges typically operate individually and deal in non-public hearings without giving opposing views a chance to be heard, with no oversight or anything. Judges to the FISC are appointed by the Chief Justice without any further oversight and the Chief Justice is politically appointed as well. (A democratic process for nominating judges isn't easy,. but vesting the power into a single hand is questionable) Also the low number of modified or rejected warrants is suspicious (the positive interpretation might be that warrants are well prepared and thus qualify) For me as an foreigner to both cases, both approaches are problematic and I have no democratic influence over either process. And yeah, I trust US more to be aligned with my interests, but neither is a happy thing for me.

Not surprised at all, Tik Tok has clear ties to china and with all things china comes the governments control. chances are china was using Tik Tok as a global surveillance tool.

johannes1234321 6y ago

And everything from the U.S. comes with prism and national security letters.

greatjack613 6y ago
Valid point, but I prefer a democratic govt spying on me then a totalitarian govt with world conquer ambitions, and a history of suppressing minorities
- lukaa 6y ago
  But just to play devils advocate: It is highly likely that China have spies in Google and Facebook and probably USA have spies in Tik Tok and other big Chinese companies so both China and USA no matter what sw you use already know everything about you. My best argument would be: We can't allow that authoritarian country become tech superior because that will make China economically stronger than USA and than politically which will result in destruction of democracies around world.
  - giancarlostoro 6y ago
    I would be surprised if nobody within Google and co noticed data being siphoned out to China from its internal networks.
    - chii 6y ago
      well they wouldn't be very good spies if that happened. Look at how good russian spies were at infiltrating the gov't : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five , and tell me that china couldn't do the same or better.
      - giancarlostoro 6y ago
        This is the 1950s though, infrastructure like Google's is surely to have logs and security teams. Unless they physically shove a USB into a production server and rip content. I'm pretty confident you could secure a data center, the only other way is to install sketchy processing chipsets that phone home or something. You're probably right, they might have some sketchy way, but if you really wanted to see who is doing what with your data from within your data center you could really set controls to do so.
- bromuro 6y ago
  Wait which one is the US ?
  - jesterson 6y ago
    Your comment made my day, bravo :)
- Kaze404 6y ago
  Out of all the differences between the US and China you chose to talk about imperialism and racism, some of the few things both have in common. Interesting.
- Shorel 6y ago
  As someone who was born and lives in neither of these countries, both have conquer ambitions and a history of suppressing minorities. The USA is just much better at pretending everything it does is rightful.
  - freshhawk 6y ago
    Americans do the American Exceptionalism Poe's Law thing nonstop and I alternate between exhaustion and a sense of humor about it. I mean, "a history of suppressing minorities" in the summer of 2020 is very funny. It does feel like Gen Z kids are aware of global events enough to not fall for this, so maybe it is ending.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - johannes1234321 6y ago
    The U.S. certainly invaded more countries and occupied more area than China. While mostly with support from larger number of countries (often incl. UN Security Council)
  - greatjack613 6y ago
    Patently false, the USA does not have conquer ambitions, all of its actions can be traced back to self defense from the beginning of WW2 to today. China on the other hand, screams everyday how it wants to own taiwan. Aggressively threatens any country who dares to touch the south china seas, which it does not own.
qppo 6y ago
TIL the code I write has prism backdoors and my boss is hiding the national security letters from me
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  Well, prism was about secretly added prisms on fiber cables, so yes you won't know. Yes, your boss is not allowed to talk to you about national security letters, unless your specific involvement is needed. I as an outsider can't tell and have to trust. For that I have to evaluate how important your site as a target for such measures is, how likely I am the target and how likely my data is just close to a Target's data and how much of it will be in a full data grab for later usage.
kortilla 6y ago
FISA courts at least require a judge to sign off and that judge often doesn’t give a shit about the exec branch. There are no balances in the CCP. They just inform the party representative at the company (all big companies have them) that X or Y needs to happen and it does or else the company gets shut down.
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  Well, FISC judges typically operate individually and deal in non-public hearings without giving opposing views a chance to be heard, with no oversight or anything. Judges to the FISC are appointed by the Chief Justice without any further oversight and the Chief Justice is politically appointed as well. (A democratic process for nominating judges isn't easy,. but vesting the power into a single hand is questionable) Also the low number of modified or rejected warrants is suspicious (the positive interpretation might be that warrants are well prepared and thus qualify) For me as an foreigner to both cases, both approaches are problematic and I have no democratic influence over either process. And yeah, I trust US more to be aligned with my interests, but neither is a happy thing for me.