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A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.
by rickbutton 6y ago
A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.
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- danmg 6y agoWhat was the problem with /r/ConsumeProduct exactly?
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- kanox 6y agoNot advertiser friendly.
- rickbutton 6y agoProbably all of the white supremacy in it.
- 50ckpuppet 6y agosounds great to me to until I turned my brain on and realized that if you can purge one ideology, you can justify purging any other ideology.
- Daishiman 6y agoThe German state has been banning and imprisoning sympathizers of white supremacist groups for a few decades by now. I'm not seeing a mass censorship of non-hate-based ideologies there. I'm not seeing the slippery slope. To say that purging one ideology is the same as all means that you see no difference between hateful supremacist positions and any other types of ideas. Which is ridiculous.
- sweetheart 6y agoThis is a fallacy, I'm sorry. It's true that it can be impossible to determine what the specific characteristics of a belief that make it okay to silence, but that _doesn't mean there aren't differences_. We don't know when an acorn becomes a tree, but we know there is a difference. We can safely say that a tree is not an acorn, even though we don't know when that transition occurs. We _know_ it's wrong to advocate for the ethnic cleansing of people. We _know_ it's wrong to talk about how Blacks are genetically inferior. We _know_ it's wrong to spread lies about how Jews control mass media. We can silence these evil, ignorant beliefs without being afraid that all other beliefs are at risk of being silenced.
- appleflaxen 6y agoA "purge" sounds so scary. But this is a purge like being asked not to come back to target is a purge. And it's just as much of an infringement on your rights: none.
- rickbutton 6y agoI can't argue in good faith with someone who believes that white supremacists should continue to have a platform. I hope you do some research and look back on this comment with shame. White supremacists do not deserve a platform, flat out. Disagreeing with this is explicitly agreeing with white supremacy.
- chrischattin 6y agoYou don't have to agree with someone to think it's wrong to censor them.
- MockObject 6y agoIt does to me, too. Until I realize that some people are now defining silence as complicity with white supremacy. So let's hope that definition doesn't spread, right?
- rickbutton 6y agoSilence -is- complicity.
- MockObject 6y agoSo you're agreeing that anyone who is silent on racial issues should be purged from the internet?
- rickbutton 6y agoThat's not what I said. Do not put words into my digital mouth. I said, silence -is- complicity with white supremacy. If you, after all of the injustices demonstrated in enormous detail over the last 400 years, are still silent when white supremacists continue to oppress the oppressed, you are complicit in white supremacy.
- MockObject 6y ago> That's not what I said. Do not put words into my digital mouth. So white supremacists should be purged, but those who are complicit with them should not?
- rickbutton 6y agoWe are talking about two different things. I claimed that purging white supremacists from platforms is a good thing. I also claimed that silence is complicity. These are orthogonal. I am not a decision maker for one of these platforms, and don't feel the need to draw a specific line in the sand. Your attempt at a "gotcha" is fruitless, I'm afraid. Let me turn it around, do you think that white supremacists deserve a platform?
- conradfr 6y agoDo you make a difference between people who self-identity as that and people labelled by external entites?