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Apple's moat has increasingly become incentivised of late by being the privacy-conscious option to its competitors - thanks primarily to Google's infringement o

Apple's moat has increasingly become incentivised of late by being the privacy-conscious option to its competitors - thanks primarily to Google's infringement of the same

addicted 6y ago
This is such a big win for Apple. I’ve become increasingly disillusioned with Apple, to the point of switching away from the Mac completely and not missed it a bit. However, my foray into Android was not so rosy. Android felt like playing with Fire. It was scary not knowing what all was taking your data and then finding like half the apps I had downloaded had been stealing data in some form or another. Moving back to ios was certainly a huge relief. The privacy aspects are just so much better.
- linus_torvalds 6y ago
  >Moving back to ios was certainly a huge relief. The privacy aspects are just so much better. Are you saying you saw a notable difference in the ads you were shown after switching back to iOS?
  - svachalek 6y ago
    If you avoid tracking you will see a difference in ads but the most immediate confirmation is the number of captchas you run into, everywhere. Without tracking, everyone thinks you're a bot.
    - linus_torvalds 6y ago
      does this mean iOS is less user friendly on the web then? (obviously not their fault, just asking the logical question)
      - my_usernam3 6y ago
        I think its less to do with iOS vs Andriod, or more to do with giving away your information. I'm sure there's ways to make your Andriod become equally as "secure" with the local data as iOS, but iOS makes it easy
  - linus_torvalds 6y ago
    dude...why am I being downvoted for asking a question? lol...
    - bubblethink 6y ago
      You are commenting in a fanboy thread. Don't take it personally. HN is not more "enlightened" than the rest of the internet when it comes to fanboy stuff.
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      I think it was the way you phrased it. It sounds combative. If you had stated it more plainly, people probably would have left you alone. Also, people tend to get downvoted for starting or ending comments with "lol," as it shows a basic lack of respect for other people on HN.
      - linus_torvalds 6y ago
        I would say my phrasing was misunderstood. I was genuinely curious...oh well... I'm doing that now because I've been downvoted. I didn't do that with my initial question which was the one that was downvoted.
- darkwizard42 6y ago
  I had the same feeling and even though everyone touts the level of control you get with Android its overwhelming as a user who just wants things to work and doesn't have time to pore over every app and setting to control.
- sizzle 6y ago
  As someone who has been diehard Android fan since I got my hands on the first Android G1 through the flagship Nexus line and then Pixel line— I, too, am ready to jump ship to iPhone due to the blatant disregard of background app data handling in the Android mobile operating ecosystem. It has become crystal clear that Google's interests lie in selling advertising beneath the surface vs Apple's interests selling hardware.
  - squeezingswirls 6y ago
    For people who like Android but not how Google is handling it, https://e.foundation/ https://e.foundation/ is a very interesting project.
  - brnt 6y ago
    There is no need to change masters, and if you have a Pixel, you don't even need to change devices: LineageOS.
- noneeeed 6y ago
  I've been on Android for a long time now, but as I've become more aware of my privacy in recent years I've concluded my next phone will probably be an apple. My problems with Android are largely around all the things you can't do without turning on web and location tracking. The most egregious of these is probably the aparant inability to set your home address in the google map app. There is no reason it can't store this as some kind of favourite. It is ridiculous, and indicative of an approach designed to maximise the amount of information you give up to them.
  - pier25 6y ago
    OTOH if you have location tracking on for Google Maps it will know if you're driving and will alert you of problems a couple of kms down the road (accidents, construction, etc). This has been helpful in a number of occasions while not using directions.
    - noneeeed 6y ago
      Well I'm completely fine with them offering that, there are lots of things that location tracking is useful for. I just want them to make things optionally available with the permissions granted being proportional to the task. If you want traffic warnings then that's great, but you still shouldn't need it turned on to store your home address.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- noisem4ker 6y ago
  Have you compared outgoing traffic from the same apps on Android and iOS, and found a difference?
- penzizzle 6y ago
  I abandoned my iphone4 for a nexus because I felt the walled garden approach Apple were taking was a stranglehold; there was no flexibility with the home screen, I couldn't run any emulators, blah blah. On my nexus I could have the hacker news feed on my home screen! Felt like a huge win for a few years. Now I'm 100% abandoning android to head back over to IOS, which has been reinforced by IOS14 detecting TikTok capturing huge amounts of data nefariously. BUT here's the added problem - I've had a google account for over 15 years, all of my email is handled via a (paid) google account and migrating it to something else is the kind of nightmare that I've been procrastinating over for a few years. I know I can control lots of privacy settings, but my overall trust is pretty thin these days. Add to that a lot of friends only use WhatsApp means that Facebook still have an 'in' as well... it feels like even with the best intentions the market still has an almost insurmountable leverage over the individual (in this case me!).
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    Do you need to move your email? Can’t you just have that go to an iPhone?
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    I've had a google account for over 15 years, all of my email is handled via a (paid) google account and migrating it to something else is the kind of nightmare that I've been procrastinating over for a few years I was in the same boat. I was paying Google over $30/month just for e-mail. I didn't move for years because I feared it would be a hassle. In the end, I was able to move everything over to Fastmail in half an afternoon. It really was worth it.
    - penzizzle 6y ago
      Wow I just had a look at Fastmail and there's a quote on there directly targetting all of us that feel like this - "there's even a gmail transfer tool" :D Thanks so much for this, I'm looking into it now!
      - fossuser 6y ago
- bad_user 6y ago
  I'm an iPhone user and I actually want an Android for privacy reasons. Safari on iOS is inferior to Firefox with uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger. Also Safari might have content blockers (inferior, but better than nothing), however iOS apps don't open links in Safari but in their own web view. This is mostly a cultural thing, but due to Android's tighter integration (eg back button) Android apps at least admit opening in the external browser as an option. Example of apps that can open links on the external default browser on Android, but not on iOS: Facebook, Twitter, Gmail. Android also supports web push notifications, making it possible to use some services from the browser, which is a far better sandbox. Firefox supports creating web app shortcuts, running full screen and with notifications, but with uBlock Origin powered content blocking in the background. Why is this important? Have you seen the apps that share data with Facebook about you via their SDK? Go ahead, you might have a revelation about how privacy friendly your iOS device actually is: https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity I could avoid this crap on Android, but I can't on iOS unless I block the Facebook.com domain entirely at the DNS level, which I did, but it's not very practical if I'd need Facebook too. iOS has some pretty cool privacy features, but it is also defective by design and this keeps it from being a good option for protecting the privacy of power users.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Also Safari might have content blockers (inferior, but better than nothing), however iOS apps don't open links in Safari but in their own web view. This is mostly a cultural thing, but due to Android's tighter integration (eg back button) Android apps at least admit opening in the external browser as an option. There are two types of web views in IOS. One is an out of process web view where the app has very little visibility in what you do while you are using it. This view does support installed content blockers. Feedly for instance supports this web view. The other is an in process web view where the app has far more control and visibility. But doesn’t support content blockers. I use the Facebook website for just that reason instead of the app.
- doom2 6y ago
  I find it hard to take Apple's privacy aspects seriously when they're willing to violate those principles in markets like China [1]. Can we really applaud a company that's willing to give user data to governments, even if they don't do it in the US or EU? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-china-censorship-apps-flag/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-china-censorship-apps-flag...
  - jjcon 6y ago
    The only option they have is to do what they did or just not sell in China - I would prefer the second but I also don’t have billions of dollars to make from selling there
  - adamlett 6y ago
    I read the article you linked to, and the only thing in it that had a whiff of “willing to give user’s data to governments” is the thing about Apple relying in China on data from a Chinese company for information about malicious sites (instead of Google which Apple relies on in the rest of the world), with speculation from a cryptographer about why that might be cause for concern. What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple addressed those concerns in a statement, showing them to be unfounded: https://www.imore.com/heres-apples-statement-safari-fraudulent-website-warning-and-tencent https://www.imore.com/heres-apples-statement-safari-fraudule....
    - fossuser 6y ago
      The handful of things I'm aware of: - In China Apple allows iCloud infrastructure to be managed by Chinese companies (presumably so they can do bulk collection on user data/message backups). - Apple removes the Taiwanese flag emoji from devices - Apple removes the apps the CCP asks them to from the app store in China (notably this includes podcast apps with access to unapproved speech). I wouldn't be surprised if there were more concessions. I've written more generally about this here: https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html Apple is still the best when it comes to protecting their users in the west, but few western companies stand by their principles in the Chinese market. It's disappointing.
- newbie578 6y ago
  Really interesting, while honestly I couldn't care less about "advertising data" I cannot fathom going from Android to Apple all because of "walled gardens" where some of my friends enjoy it, I feel trapped like a bird in a cage. It's the same reason I don't want to switch from Windows to MacOS, I refuse to support a platform where one company is "the Judge, Jury and Executioner". As a mobile dev, it is also quite irritating that if you wish to develop for iOS, you must use an Mac, but if you wish to develop for Android, you can use any device you want. Oh how I would love for Apple to feel caged by their own walls, e.g. make Android Studios not available for MacOs until XCode is available for Windows and Linux.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Ok, but this is an unreasonable request. Apple regards their platform as an advantage for developers. You are free to disagree and choose another platform if you like. But the idea that you would expect Apple not to use it’s own platform to develop its tools makes no sense. You would be expecting them to give up their primary advantage. And for what? To satisfy people who don’t want to buy their products?
hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
I think tech people fundamentally misunderstand how the privacy-conscious features of Apple resonate with the non-technical public. The vast majority of the public do not care, at all, about the type of data tracking that gets HNers so up in arms. That may be a bit of hyperbole - they may care a teeny bit, but the second they have to do something that is even the slightest bit inconvenient in order to get more privacy ("Why do I have to log in here again?") they'll bail. What Apple has done, though, is frame privacy-consciousness in terms of exclusivity and luxury. It's quite similar to how Tesla rebranded electric cars from dorky and stodgy to cool. Most people's experience with Apple's privacy-conscious features are Touch ID and Face ID. These felt really futuristic when they first came out. And the privacy messaging that Apple does is really great IMO: it's more along the lines of "With Google all your data is shared with crappy advertisers along with the rest of the unwashed masses. With Apple everything is safe and secure, and most importantly protected from their grubby little non-Jony Ive-approved hands." This has real benefits to consumers (because the privacy advancements with Apple are not just marketing, they're real), but people should understand Apple is still based around exclusivity and luxury, and privacy is just a part of that.
- snowwrestler 6y ago
  This is not supported by polling data. See for example: https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an... "Some 81% of the public say that the potential risks they face because of data collection by companies outweigh the benefits, and 66% say the same about government data collection."
  - Icathian 6y ago
    Asking people whether they care and making them prove it by subjecting themselves to the slightest inconvenience may result in different conclusions.
    - pier25 6y ago
beigeoak 6y ago
My little sister liked Android phones because she found the green robot thing cute. But after Apple declined to implement 16 Web APIs in Safari due to privacy concerns, she bough an iPhone. She's 8.
onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago
Apple's moat is that people like iPhones.
alexashka 6y ago
Apple's moat is the same moat Google, Amazon and every other big company has - their lobbying efforts to keep the governments in their current state of ignorance and incompetence. Remember that anti-competitive agreement between the the big tech companies to not compete with each other for employees aka fucking illegal? Remember how many people went to prison for that? Right, 0. These companies are all fine dining together and high fiving each other for their agreement to not compete with one another all the way to the bank. When a small competitor arises, they just throw a few billion to squash them aka acquire and laugh all the way to the bank some more. I wouldn't be surprised if this blog is going to get a corporate sponsor sometime soon - it's been such a good boy, making pretend these companies are actually competing.
three_seagrass 6y ago
>Apple's moat has increasingly become incentivised of late by being the privacy-conscious option As long as you're not in China that is: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

Apple's moat has increasingly become incentivised of late by being the privacy-conscious option to its competitors - thanks primarily to Google's infringement of the same

addicted 6y ago

This is such a big win for Apple. I’ve become increasingly disillusioned with Apple, to the point of switching away from the Mac completely and not missed it a bit. However, my foray into Android was not so rosy. Android felt like playing with Fire. It was scary not knowing what all was taking your data and then finding like half the apps I had downloaded had been stealing data in some form or another. Moving back to ios was certainly a huge relief. The privacy aspects are just so much better.

linus_torvalds 6y ago
>Moving back to ios was certainly a huge relief. The privacy aspects are just so much better. Are you saying you saw a notable difference in the ads you were shown after switching back to iOS?
- svachalek 6y ago
  If you avoid tracking you will see a difference in ads but the most immediate confirmation is the number of captchas you run into, everywhere. Without tracking, everyone thinks you're a bot.
  - linus_torvalds 6y ago
    does this mean iOS is less user friendly on the web then? (obviously not their fault, just asking the logical question)
    - my_usernam3 6y ago
      I think its less to do with iOS vs Andriod, or more to do with giving away your information. I'm sure there's ways to make your Andriod become equally as "secure" with the local data as iOS, but iOS makes it easy
- linus_torvalds 6y ago
  dude...why am I being downvoted for asking a question? lol...
  - bubblethink 6y ago
    You are commenting in a fanboy thread. Don't take it personally. HN is not more "enlightened" than the rest of the internet when it comes to fanboy stuff.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    I think it was the way you phrased it. It sounds combative. If you had stated it more plainly, people probably would have left you alone. Also, people tend to get downvoted for starting or ending comments with "lol," as it shows a basic lack of respect for other people on HN.
    - linus_torvalds 6y ago
      I would say my phrasing was misunderstood. I was genuinely curious...oh well... I'm doing that now because I've been downvoted. I didn't do that with my initial question which was the one that was downvoted.
darkwizard42 6y ago
I had the same feeling and even though everyone touts the level of control you get with Android its overwhelming as a user who just wants things to work and doesn't have time to pore over every app and setting to control.
sizzle 6y ago
As someone who has been diehard Android fan since I got my hands on the first Android G1 through the flagship Nexus line and then Pixel line— I, too, am ready to jump ship to iPhone due to the blatant disregard of background app data handling in the Android mobile operating ecosystem. It has become crystal clear that Google's interests lie in selling advertising beneath the surface vs Apple's interests selling hardware.
- squeezingswirls 6y ago
  For people who like Android but not how Google is handling it, https://e.foundation/ https://e.foundation/ is a very interesting project.
- brnt 6y ago
  There is no need to change masters, and if you have a Pixel, you don't even need to change devices: LineageOS.
noneeeed 6y ago
I've been on Android for a long time now, but as I've become more aware of my privacy in recent years I've concluded my next phone will probably be an apple. My problems with Android are largely around all the things you can't do without turning on web and location tracking. The most egregious of these is probably the aparant inability to set your home address in the google map app. There is no reason it can't store this as some kind of favourite. It is ridiculous, and indicative of an approach designed to maximise the amount of information you give up to them.
- pier25 6y ago
  OTOH if you have location tracking on for Google Maps it will know if you're driving and will alert you of problems a couple of kms down the road (accidents, construction, etc). This has been helpful in a number of occasions while not using directions.
  - noneeeed 6y ago
    Well I'm completely fine with them offering that, there are lots of things that location tracking is useful for. I just want them to make things optionally available with the permissions granted being proportional to the task. If you want traffic warnings then that's great, but you still shouldn't need it turned on to store your home address.
- deleted 6y ago
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noisem4ker 6y ago
Have you compared outgoing traffic from the same apps on Android and iOS, and found a difference?
penzizzle 6y ago
I abandoned my iphone4 for a nexus because I felt the walled garden approach Apple were taking was a stranglehold; there was no flexibility with the home screen, I couldn't run any emulators, blah blah. On my nexus I could have the hacker news feed on my home screen! Felt like a huge win for a few years. Now I'm 100% abandoning android to head back over to IOS, which has been reinforced by IOS14 detecting TikTok capturing huge amounts of data nefariously. BUT here's the added problem - I've had a google account for over 15 years, all of my email is handled via a (paid) google account and migrating it to something else is the kind of nightmare that I've been procrastinating over for a few years. I know I can control lots of privacy settings, but my overall trust is pretty thin these days. Add to that a lot of friends only use WhatsApp means that Facebook still have an 'in' as well... it feels like even with the best intentions the market still has an almost insurmountable leverage over the individual (in this case me!).
- lostlogin 6y ago
  Do you need to move your email? Can’t you just have that go to an iPhone?
- reaperducer 6y ago
  I've had a google account for over 15 years, all of my email is handled via a (paid) google account and migrating it to something else is the kind of nightmare that I've been procrastinating over for a few years I was in the same boat. I was paying Google over $30/month just for e-mail. I didn't move for years because I feared it would be a hassle. In the end, I was able to move everything over to Fastmail in half an afternoon. It really was worth it.
  - penzizzle 6y ago
    Wow I just had a look at Fastmail and there's a quote on there directly targetting all of us that feel like this - "there's even a gmail transfer tool" :D Thanks so much for this, I'm looking into it now!
    - fossuser 6y ago
bad_user 6y ago
I'm an iPhone user and I actually want an Android for privacy reasons. Safari on iOS is inferior to Firefox with uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger. Also Safari might have content blockers (inferior, but better than nothing), however iOS apps don't open links in Safari but in their own web view. This is mostly a cultural thing, but due to Android's tighter integration (eg back button) Android apps at least admit opening in the external browser as an option. Example of apps that can open links on the external default browser on Android, but not on iOS: Facebook, Twitter, Gmail. Android also supports web push notifications, making it possible to use some services from the browser, which is a far better sandbox. Firefox supports creating web app shortcuts, running full screen and with notifications, but with uBlock Origin powered content blocking in the background. Why is this important? Have you seen the apps that share data with Facebook about you via their SDK? Go ahead, you might have a revelation about how privacy friendly your iOS device actually is: https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity https://www.facebook.com/off_facebook_activity I could avoid this crap on Android, but I can't on iOS unless I block the Facebook.com domain entirely at the DNS level, which I did, but it's not very practical if I'd need Facebook too. iOS has some pretty cool privacy features, but it is also defective by design and this keeps it from being a good option for protecting the privacy of power users.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Also Safari might have content blockers (inferior, but better than nothing), however iOS apps don't open links in Safari but in their own web view. This is mostly a cultural thing, but due to Android's tighter integration (eg back button) Android apps at least admit opening in the external browser as an option. There are two types of web views in IOS. One is an out of process web view where the app has very little visibility in what you do while you are using it. This view does support installed content blockers. Feedly for instance supports this web view. The other is an in process web view where the app has far more control and visibility. But doesn’t support content blockers. I use the Facebook website for just that reason instead of the app.
doom2 6y ago
I find it hard to take Apple's privacy aspects seriously when they're willing to violate those principles in markets like China [1]. Can we really applaud a company that's willing to give user data to governments, even if they don't do it in the US or EU? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-china-censorship-apps-flag/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-china-censorship-apps-flag...
- jjcon 6y ago
  The only option they have is to do what they did or just not sell in China - I would prefer the second but I also don’t have billions of dollars to make from selling there
- adamlett 6y ago
  I read the article you linked to, and the only thing in it that had a whiff of “willing to give user’s data to governments” is the thing about Apple relying in China on data from a Chinese company for information about malicious sites (instead of Google which Apple relies on in the rest of the world), with speculation from a cryptographer about why that might be cause for concern. What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple addressed those concerns in a statement, showing them to be unfounded: https://www.imore.com/heres-apples-statement-safari-fraudulent-website-warning-and-tencent https://www.imore.com/heres-apples-statement-safari-fraudule....
  - fossuser 6y ago
    The handful of things I'm aware of: - In China Apple allows iCloud infrastructure to be managed by Chinese companies (presumably so they can do bulk collection on user data/message backups). - Apple removes the Taiwanese flag emoji from devices - Apple removes the apps the CCP asks them to from the app store in China (notably this includes podcast apps with access to unapproved speech). I wouldn't be surprised if there were more concessions. I've written more generally about this here: https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html Apple is still the best when it comes to protecting their users in the west, but few western companies stand by their principles in the Chinese market. It's disappointing.
newbie578 6y ago
Really interesting, while honestly I couldn't care less about "advertising data" I cannot fathom going from Android to Apple all because of "walled gardens" where some of my friends enjoy it, I feel trapped like a bird in a cage. It's the same reason I don't want to switch from Windows to MacOS, I refuse to support a platform where one company is "the Judge, Jury and Executioner". As a mobile dev, it is also quite irritating that if you wish to develop for iOS, you must use an Mac, but if you wish to develop for Android, you can use any device you want. Oh how I would love for Apple to feel caged by their own walls, e.g. make Android Studios not available for MacOs until XCode is available for Windows and Linux.
- zepto 6y ago
  Ok, but this is an unreasonable request. Apple regards their platform as an advantage for developers. You are free to disagree and choose another platform if you like. But the idea that you would expect Apple not to use it’s own platform to develop its tools makes no sense. You would be expecting them to give up their primary advantage. And for what? To satisfy people who don’t want to buy their products?

hn_throwaway_99 6y ago

I think tech people fundamentally misunderstand how the privacy-conscious features of Apple resonate with the non-technical public. The vast majority of the public do not care, at all, about the type of data tracking that gets HNers so up in arms. That may be a bit of hyperbole - they may care a teeny bit, but the second they have to do something that is even the slightest bit inconvenient in order to get more privacy ("Why do I have to log in here again?") they'll bail. What Apple has done, though, is frame privacy-consciousness in terms of exclusivity and luxury. It's quite similar to how Tesla rebranded electric cars from dorky and stodgy to cool. Most people's experience with Apple's privacy-conscious features are Touch ID and Face ID. These felt really futuristic when they first came out. And the privacy messaging that Apple does is really great IMO: it's more along the lines of "With Google all your data is shared with crappy advertisers along with the rest of the unwashed masses. With Apple everything is safe and secure, and most importantly protected from their grubby little non-Jony Ive-approved hands." This has real benefits to consumers (because the privacy advancements with Apple are not just marketing, they're real), but people should understand Apple is still based around exclusivity and luxury, and privacy is just a part of that.

snowwrestler 6y ago
This is not supported by polling data. See for example: https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an... "Some 81% of the public say that the potential risks they face because of data collection by companies outweigh the benefits, and 66% say the same about government data collection."
- Icathian 6y ago
  Asking people whether they care and making them prove it by subjecting themselves to the slightest inconvenience may result in different conclusions.
  - pier25 6y ago

beigeoak 6y ago

My little sister liked Android phones because she found the green robot thing cute. But after Apple declined to implement 16 Web APIs in Safari due to privacy concerns, she bough an iPhone. She's 8.

onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago

Apple's moat is that people like iPhones.

alexashka 6y ago

Apple's moat is the same moat Google, Amazon and every other big company has - their lobbying efforts to keep the governments in their current state of ignorance and incompetence. Remember that anti-competitive agreement between the the big tech companies to not compete with each other for employees aka fucking illegal? Remember how many people went to prison for that? Right, 0. These companies are all fine dining together and high fiving each other for their agreement to not compete with one another all the way to the bank. When a small competitor arises, they just throw a few billion to squash them aka acquire and laugh all the way to the bank some more. I wouldn't be surprised if this blog is going to get a corporate sponsor sometime soon - it's been such a good boy, making pretend these companies are actually competing.

three_seagrass 6y ago

>Apple's moat has increasingly become incentivised of late by being the privacy-conscious option As long as you're not in China that is: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...