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What country based discrimination are you seeing? The US accepts a lot of immigrants due to hardship or persecution from around the world

__m 6y ago
Not that many when you compare it to other countries
- pnako 6y ago
  You always find one country better than others at anything. But the US is not doing that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migra...
logicchains 6y ago
>What country based discrimination are you seeing? It just decided to temporarily ban the vast majority of people from all countries other than the US from working in the US.
oh_sigh 6y ago
Currently by law, immigrants from a given country can only represent 7% of the overall immigration flow into the US per year. That isn't explicit country-based discrimination, but it effectively discriminates against China and India. If China were 10 nations of 150M people, and not 1 nation of 1,500M people, more people from those 10 nations could immigrate to the US than can today from China.
- foogazi 6y ago
  How can granting residency be construed as discrimination? The door is open, but there’s a queue
  - zo1 6y ago
    If you have a limit that says "2 people per group" and you have groups with vastly different sizes, it can "seem" like discrimination. E.g. if you're from a group that has 500000 people, your odds of being chosen are much smaller than if you were from a group that had 1000 people. I believe the term is used lightly in that context, more as a point to the original poster's comment.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    Granting residency isn't the discriminating part.
Barrin92 6y ago
>The US accepts a lot of immigrants due to hardship or persecution from around the world During the last three years the US has admitted about as many refugees as Sweden, a country of 10 million people, did in 2015. It wasn't that much higher under earlier administrations. On a per capita basis[1] the US hosts about three times fewer than Russia, and 10 times fewer than comparably prosperous Western European countries like Switzerland or Germany. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_p...
- chance_state 6y ago
  And how well is mass migration to Sweden, Germany, etc. going? I'd rather not have the same shit show happen in the US too.
renewiltord 6y ago
Green Card Quotas are literally country-of-birth-based.
- foogazi 6y ago
  Yes and the limit is 140k employment based GCs, max 7% allocated per country So people from every country get a shot
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    > So people from every country get a shot With a system that performs in this manner, predict the behaviour you would expect if the number of issued green cards is less than 140k.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Not more than 14 countries?
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      - renewiltord 6y ago
        I misremembered section 1152, clause (a) (3) here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152 My error. That should not happen unless there are too few participants, you're right. It's country-based discrimination, certainly, but the cause is just.
distant_hat 6y ago
There absolutely are country based discrimination even if it doesn't say so by having country based quotas irrespective of the population of a country. A country like China or India has the same cap as a country like Singapore for Green Cards etc. This means that two people who are exactly the same in every way except one is born in India vs one who is born in Singapore will have very different length of time to get a permanent residency. This isn't hypothetical, a friend of mine's dad was an Indian working in Iran when my friend was born, his brother was born a few years later in India. The one born in Iran got his Green Card in a few months after application, the one born in India is still waiting.

__m 6y ago

Not that many when you compare it to other countries

pnako 6y ago
You always find one country better than others at anything. But the US is not doing that bad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migra...

logicchains 6y ago

>What country based discrimination are you seeing? It just decided to temporarily ban the vast majority of people from all countries other than the US from working in the US.

oh_sigh 6y ago

Currently by law, immigrants from a given country can only represent 7% of the overall immigration flow into the US per year. That isn't explicit country-based discrimination, but it effectively discriminates against China and India. If China were 10 nations of 150M people, and not 1 nation of 1,500M people, more people from those 10 nations could immigrate to the US than can today from China.

foogazi 6y ago
How can granting residency be construed as discrimination? The door is open, but there’s a queue
- zo1 6y ago
  If you have a limit that says "2 people per group" and you have groups with vastly different sizes, it can "seem" like discrimination. E.g. if you're from a group that has 500000 people, your odds of being chosen are much smaller than if you were from a group that had 1000 people. I believe the term is used lightly in that context, more as a point to the original poster's comment.
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  Granting residency isn't the discriminating part.

Barrin92 6y ago

>The US accepts a lot of immigrants due to hardship or persecution from around the world During the last three years the US has admitted about as many refugees as Sweden, a country of 10 million people, did in 2015. It wasn't that much higher under earlier administrations. On a per capita basis[1] the US hosts about three times fewer than Russia, and 10 times fewer than comparably prosperous Western European countries like Switzerland or Germany. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_p...

chance_state 6y ago
And how well is mass migration to Sweden, Germany, etc. going? I'd rather not have the same shit show happen in the US too.

renewiltord 6y ago

Green Card Quotas are literally country-of-birth-based.

foogazi 6y ago
Yes and the limit is 140k employment based GCs, max 7% allocated per country So people from every country get a shot
- renewiltord 6y ago
  > So people from every country get a shot With a system that performs in this manner, predict the behaviour you would expect if the number of issued green cards is less than 140k.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Not more than 14 countries?
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    - renewiltord 6y ago
      I misremembered section 1152, clause (a) (3) here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152 My error. That should not happen unless there are too few participants, you're right. It's country-based discrimination, certainly, but the cause is just.

distant_hat 6y ago

There absolutely are country based discrimination even if it doesn't say so by having country based quotas irrespective of the population of a country. A country like China or India has the same cap as a country like Singapore for Green Cards etc. This means that two people who are exactly the same in every way except one is born in India vs one who is born in Singapore will have very different length of time to get a permanent residency. This isn't hypothetical, a friend of mine's dad was an Indian working in Iran when my friend was born, his brother was born a few years later in India. The one born in Iran got his Green Card in a few months after application, the one born in India is still waiting.