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ebay just stopped paying for people who search for "ebay" and related. (these are called "brand" keywords). that's a completely different statement than saying

ebay just stopped paying for people who search for "ebay" and related. (these are called "brand" keywords). that's a completely different statement than saying advertising is a fad. depending on the business it may be but ebay definitely spends a ton on keywords with buying intent. FB is in a very different market from both brand keywords and non-brand high intent keywords.

nabla9 6y ago
>completely different statement than saying advertising is a fad. Nobody is saying that. There is sickening commenting trend where people take maxim of every argument, then argue against that.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  It's called HN pedantry. In chess, we use the term "woodpusher." HN pedants think a post is a mathematical proof, and they won by discovering a loop hole to falsify it - "Aha!" They're keyboard warriors who don't have any experience in the real world - they're really Luddites, but they just don't know it. Usually it doesn't matter (because they don't matter), but the corona pandemic shows what happens when woodpushers take over the world. "Imma make a fake, unapproved ventilator, herp derp. U 2?" - multiple HN threads. The US has fallen and it can't get back up. IT people actually have valuable skills in being able to merge different disciplines at both the technical and policy levels, and could have made a difference. But for pedants like, "I don't want my nephew to die, even if we have to shutdown a $22 trillion economy, so shut up." - again, multiple HN threads. Not the finest moment for either the US or HN.
  - curation 6y ago
    I would push a little further and say that this is a component of Western thought - binaries, enmity and polemics. The disjunction between the metanarrative of what our system is - a democracy based on equality - and what our system is - pro-slavery. The result is we blame, individuals or groups of individuals like 'woodpushers' when it is the entire logical order. Just try breaking any of our main socially-organizing binaries: Male/female (be trans!) or black/white (everyone is both!), sexuality(be pan-sexual!), class (celebrate being poor!) and so on. We meet in enmity to decide what of these categories we are (without ever uttering it) and then we argue our own truth, generated from within, and argue it to the death. Just like folks will when they read this. Go a piece of the way with this. Do some reading - Spivak, Mbembe, Benedict Anderson, Roedigger - there are decades of theory and meaning out there that is now mainstream. The problem is not the 'bad folks' - it's our own western solipsism.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      Most HN readers are semi-autistic engineers, not PoliSci majors. They're literally looking for a counterexample for non-math problems, and are blinded to the fact that life is not well-defined. The US is polarized because it has only 2 major parties. Without the coercion of a third party to make a coalition government, the US will become ever more polarized. (It doesn't help that Obama was a "community organizer" and our current leaders are over 70. When young people see Pelosi (80) clinging to power until the grave, I imagine they don't picture where they fit into that party. Me neither.) The exception is that I've read this might be the last Republican majority because of demographics, but they may just change policies enough to stay relevant.

nabla9 6y ago

>completely different statement than saying advertising is a fad. Nobody is saying that. There is sickening commenting trend where people take maxim of every argument, then argue against that.

redis_mlc 6y ago
It's called HN pedantry. In chess, we use the term "woodpusher." HN pedants think a post is a mathematical proof, and they won by discovering a loop hole to falsify it - "Aha!" They're keyboard warriors who don't have any experience in the real world - they're really Luddites, but they just don't know it. Usually it doesn't matter (because they don't matter), but the corona pandemic shows what happens when woodpushers take over the world. "Imma make a fake, unapproved ventilator, herp derp. U 2?" - multiple HN threads. The US has fallen and it can't get back up. IT people actually have valuable skills in being able to merge different disciplines at both the technical and policy levels, and could have made a difference. But for pedants like, "I don't want my nephew to die, even if we have to shutdown a $22 trillion economy, so shut up." - again, multiple HN threads. Not the finest moment for either the US or HN.
- curation 6y ago
  I would push a little further and say that this is a component of Western thought - binaries, enmity and polemics. The disjunction between the metanarrative of what our system is - a democracy based on equality - and what our system is - pro-slavery. The result is we blame, individuals or groups of individuals like 'woodpushers' when it is the entire logical order. Just try breaking any of our main socially-organizing binaries: Male/female (be trans!) or black/white (everyone is both!), sexuality(be pan-sexual!), class (celebrate being poor!) and so on. We meet in enmity to decide what of these categories we are (without ever uttering it) and then we argue our own truth, generated from within, and argue it to the death. Just like folks will when they read this. Go a piece of the way with this. Do some reading - Spivak, Mbembe, Benedict Anderson, Roedigger - there are decades of theory and meaning out there that is now mainstream. The problem is not the 'bad folks' - it's our own western solipsism.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    Most HN readers are semi-autistic engineers, not PoliSci majors. They're literally looking for a counterexample for non-math problems, and are blinded to the fact that life is not well-defined. The US is polarized because it has only 2 major parties. Without the coercion of a third party to make a coalition government, the US will become ever more polarized. (It doesn't help that Obama was a "community organizer" and our current leaders are over 70. When young people see Pelosi (80) clinging to power until the grave, I imagine they don't picture where they fit into that party. Me neither.) The exception is that I've read this might be the last Republican majority because of demographics, but they may just change policies enough to stay relevant.