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I can't figure out why Facebook attracts so much negative attention. Facebook does a great job at removing violent content. The most hateful content I see on th

I can't figure out why Facebook attracts so much negative attention. Facebook does a great job at removing violent content. The most hateful content I see on the Internet is on Twitter. The violence and hysteria are so much I'm thinking of deleting that platform.

hwillis 6y ago
One is a personalized echo chamber, the other exposes you to the most provocative (by interaction) content. No shit your twitter feed is more aggressive... your personal facebook feed has nothing to do with how toxic facebook or twitter is in sum.
- justinzollars 6y ago
  Facebook has better technology and policies in place to stop violence, human trafficking and hatful negative content. The critics seem content with Twitter because it flags a RealDonaldTrump tweet from time to time. Perhaps Mark simply needs to do that to silence criticism of its platform?
  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    That's still the same survivor bias as saying, "I don't see it on Facebook, thus it doesn't exist". Twitter has traditionally given world leaders (like the president) a pass on their community guidelines that bind every other Twitter user. Twitter is now slowly correcting that, but it's only becoming visible with world leaders who had previously received a pass.
    - asdf21 6y ago
      Considering that politicians / law-makers / the state are allowed to use violence to enforce laws, it's an absurd policy to say that Trump can't threaten violence on twitter.
jeffbee 6y ago
Facebook is crawling with Nazis, angry cops, angry Nazi cops, and every other kind of filth. What makes you think they proactively remove it? https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-facebook-police-officers-trade-racist-memes-conspiracy-theories-and-islamophobia/ https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-fac...
- covidfefe 6y ago
  The parent said violent content, not "content that hurts my feefees". Why shouldn't "angry cops" be allowed to express themselves? You don't need to follow them if you don't like what they have to say.
- justapassenger 6y ago
  This article is 1 year old and a lot of highlighted content is 2 or 3 years old. FB was investing heavily in increasing hate speech removal per zucks post. Do you have more up to date data that shows the opposite?
  - jeffbee 6y ago
    "Joel Finkelstein is the director of the Network Contagion Research Institute, which tracks hateful ideology online. He says that Facebook has become a key place for members of the Boogaloo movement to organize, recruit and discuss communication strategies through the use of private groups." Earlier this month. I don't see how anyone who has had any experience with Facebook can not know that it is crammed full of violent neo-fascists.
    - philwelch 6y ago
      The “boogaloo” movement isn’t a neo-fascist hate movement; its orientation is much more anti-government and anti-police.
    - john-shaffer 6y ago
      You seriously need to step friending violent neo-fascists.
alkibiades 6y ago
they’re trying to bully it to influence the 2020 election to help biden. this all started after 2016 where people blamed fb. they basically want it’s TOS to be the DNC platform
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Firebrand 6y ago
Facebook is frequently the target of the traditional media because these outlets have been largely shut out in favor of conservative sites. Take a look at the most popular news posts for 6/19 and 6/24: https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 It seems like Facebook’s most active user base is conservative leaning.
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- grandridge 6y ago
  Hahahaha
- vageli 6y ago
  > Facebook is frequently the target of the traditional media because these outlets have been largely shut out in favor of conservative sites. Take a look at the most popular news posts for 6/19 and 6/24: > https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 > https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 > It seems like Facebook’s most active user base is conservative leaning. Reading more about the methodology, it is hard for me to extrapolate your conclusion. For example, interactions are all interactions. It could be that many people comment negatively on the subject of the post, which by this methodology would be construed as support for that topic.
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
  Does 'best performing' filter out interaction from bots? Bot traffic could lead one to assuming this content is more popular than it actually is.
peruvian 6y ago
Is this before or after Facebook let a genocide in Myanmar be planned in their platform?
- throwaway4715 6y ago
  After.
- intopieces 6y ago
  I would like the free speech absolutists in these Facebook threads to answer for this. Seriously.
jseliger 6y ago
Facebook is a scapegoat, in the Girardian sense, a place for the entire media to foist its sins on to, in order to purge itself of responsibility: https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebook-crisis-or-media-narrative-about-facebook-crisis https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebo.... It's also a rival and a source of succor for media companies; in some ways, media companies have a child-parent relationship with Facebook.
lamby 6y ago
> Facebook does a great job at removing violent content. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19245537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19245537

hwillis 6y ago

One is a personalized echo chamber, the other exposes you to the most provocative (by interaction) content. No shit your twitter feed is more aggressive... your personal facebook feed has nothing to do with how toxic facebook or twitter is in sum.

justinzollars 6y ago
Facebook has better technology and policies in place to stop violence, human trafficking and hatful negative content. The critics seem content with Twitter because it flags a RealDonaldTrump tweet from time to time. Perhaps Mark simply needs to do that to silence criticism of its platform?
- three_seagrass 6y ago
  That's still the same survivor bias as saying, "I don't see it on Facebook, thus it doesn't exist". Twitter has traditionally given world leaders (like the president) a pass on their community guidelines that bind every other Twitter user. Twitter is now slowly correcting that, but it's only becoming visible with world leaders who had previously received a pass.
  - asdf21 6y ago
    Considering that politicians / law-makers / the state are allowed to use violence to enforce laws, it's an absurd policy to say that Trump can't threaten violence on twitter.

jeffbee 6y ago

Facebook is crawling with Nazis, angry cops, angry Nazi cops, and every other kind of filth. What makes you think they proactively remove it? https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-facebook-police-officers-trade-racist-memes-conspiracy-theories-and-islamophobia/ https://www.revealnews.org/article/inside-hate-groups-on-fac...

covidfefe 6y ago
The parent said violent content, not "content that hurts my feefees". Why shouldn't "angry cops" be allowed to express themselves? You don't need to follow them if you don't like what they have to say.
justapassenger 6y ago
This article is 1 year old and a lot of highlighted content is 2 or 3 years old. FB was investing heavily in increasing hate speech removal per zucks post. Do you have more up to date data that shows the opposite?
- jeffbee 6y ago
  "Joel Finkelstein is the director of the Network Contagion Research Institute, which tracks hateful ideology online. He says that Facebook has become a key place for members of the Boogaloo movement to organize, recruit and discuss communication strategies through the use of private groups." Earlier this month. I don't see how anyone who has had any experience with Facebook can not know that it is crammed full of violent neo-fascists.
  - philwelch 6y ago
    The “boogaloo” movement isn’t a neo-fascist hate movement; its orientation is much more anti-government and anti-police.
  - john-shaffer 6y ago
    You seriously need to step friending violent neo-fascists.

alkibiades 6y ago

they’re trying to bully it to influence the 2020 election to help biden. this all started after 2016 where people blamed fb. they basically want it’s TOS to be the DNC platform

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Firebrand 6y ago

Facebook is frequently the target of the traditional media because these outlets have been largely shut out in favor of conservative sites. Take a look at the most popular news posts for 6/19 and 6/24: https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 It seems like Facebook’s most active user base is conservative leaning.

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grandridge 6y ago
Hahahaha
vageli 6y ago
> Facebook is frequently the target of the traditional media because these outlets have been largely shut out in favor of conservative sites. Take a look at the most popular news posts for 6/19 and 6/24: > https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1275852495215042562 > https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1274014164487294976 > It seems like Facebook’s most active user base is conservative leaning. Reading more about the methodology, it is hard for me to extrapolate your conclusion. For example, interactions are all interactions. It could be that many people comment negatively on the subject of the post, which by this methodology would be construed as support for that topic.
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
Does 'best performing' filter out interaction from bots? Bot traffic could lead one to assuming this content is more popular than it actually is.

peruvian 6y ago

Is this before or after Facebook let a genocide in Myanmar be planned in their platform?

throwaway4715 6y ago
After.
intopieces 6y ago
I would like the free speech absolutists in these Facebook threads to answer for this. Seriously.

jseliger 6y ago

Facebook is a scapegoat, in the Girardian sense, a place for the entire media to foist its sins on to, in order to purge itself of responsibility: https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebook-crisis-or-media-narrative-about-facebook-crisis https://jakeseliger.com/2018/11/14/is-there-an-actual-facebo.... It's also a rival and a source of succor for media companies; in some ways, media companies have a child-parent relationship with Facebook.

lamby 6y ago

> Facebook does a great job at removing violent content. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19245537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19245537