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The stated complaint against the article is accuracy. It also says Boston PD doesn’t use it yet - this is preemptive. I wonder if they are aware that tests cond

The stated complaint against the article is accuracy. It also says Boston PD doesn’t use it yet - this is preemptive. I wonder if they are aware that tests conducted by the ACLU and the like didn’t use the recommended configurations for precision. Not to mention that false positives don’t matter as long as there’s a human in the loop to validate the match, because then it is no worse than the minor risk of a false match we accept even without facial recognition.

mola 6y ago
False positive matter. Being arrested for something you didn't do is horrific and life changing. The human in the loop is human. We unconsciouly tend to trust machines as objective and accurate. This is not as simple as you make it to be.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  We already trust human police to make matches using their eyes to apprehend suspects. This is fundamentally necessary to enforce laws and ensure a safe society. Since a human match is required with or without facial recognition, a false positive from an algorithm doesn’t make the problem any worse.
  - mulmen 6y ago
    Yeah but here’s the problem, you massively increased one of the humans capabilities but none of the others. Like judgement or even perception. With their superhuman search capability one person with a bias can discriminate against everyone in the database instead of just whoever is standing in front of them.
raxxorrax 6y ago
I would be pretty angry about a false suspicion. It is a constant additional life risk without any practical advantages. Sure, maybe I get to be victim of some crime and then be glad a video exists. Be that as it may, it isn't worth it to me.
simion314 6y ago
>I wonder if they are aware that tests conducted by the ACLU and the like didn’t use the recommended configurations for precision As I mentioned in other similar threads I also wonder if police is using the recommended configs and not the default ones, because it can't help if somewhere in the cos it shows with small letters that "we recommend for police to use X but everyone else can use Y so we default to Y so if you are the police we recommend you to change Y to X".
Moru 6y ago
The Polygraph [0] is still being used. It shows how much false positive is accepted in society already now. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph

mola 6y ago

False positive matter. Being arrested for something you didn't do is horrific and life changing. The human in the loop is human. We unconsciouly tend to trust machines as objective and accurate. This is not as simple as you make it to be.

throwawaysea 6y ago
We already trust human police to make matches using their eyes to apprehend suspects. This is fundamentally necessary to enforce laws and ensure a safe society. Since a human match is required with or without facial recognition, a false positive from an algorithm doesn’t make the problem any worse.
- mulmen 6y ago
  Yeah but here’s the problem, you massively increased one of the humans capabilities but none of the others. Like judgement or even perception. With their superhuman search capability one person with a bias can discriminate against everyone in the database instead of just whoever is standing in front of them.

raxxorrax 6y ago

I would be pretty angry about a false suspicion. It is a constant additional life risk without any practical advantages. Sure, maybe I get to be victim of some crime and then be glad a video exists. Be that as it may, it isn't worth it to me.

simion314 6y ago

>I wonder if they are aware that tests conducted by the ACLU and the like didn’t use the recommended configurations for precision As I mentioned in other similar threads I also wonder if police is using the recommended configs and not the default ones, because it can't help if somewhere in the cos it shows with small letters that "we recommend for police to use X but everyone else can use Y so we default to Y so if you are the police we recommend you to change Y to X".

Moru 6y ago

The Polygraph [0] is still being used. It shows how much false positive is accepted in society already now. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph