7 ms·
I would go further. Have all classes and training sessions recorded so there's record for review of how accurately curriculum is being followed, what off the cu
by loceng 6y ago
I would go further. Have all classes and training sessions recorded so there's record for review of how accurately curriculum is being followed, what off the cuff side commentary might be made, etc - to weed out bad instructors, bad role models. This also acts as protection for the officers themselves if there's evidence they were trained poorly or wrongly.
- Alupis 6y ago> I would go further. Have all classes and training sessions recorded so there's record for review of how accurately curriculum is being followed, what off the cuff side commentary might be made, etc - to weed out bad instructors, bad role models. This also acts as protection for the officers themselves if there's evidence they were trained poorly or wrongly We should do this too in classrooms for students. Record all the looney-tune things professors pump our youth full of. This way we can have a public record of anything anyone might disagree with and find reason to get upset about at any time. That will keep everyone in check...
- loceng 6y agoThe solution to countering the worry you stated through sarcasm is to organize, know who your trust network of reasonable people are, and rally towards educating. If there was such one or many trusted network hierarchies plugged into systems like Twitter, where people could filter based on these networks for their guidance, then things would be much cleaner than they currently are.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoWe don't give college students guns and the lawful permission to commit violence
- Alupis 6y agoWe certainly give them permission to change laws and politics, based off impressions and experiences gained during education. We should ensure that education isn't polluted and warped, and what better of a way to do that than to record all of it. This way, if some students start demanding awful policies be enacted, we can review their experiences in the classroom and find where the blame should be placed!
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoI'm unsure if you're being sarcastic. If not, I'll reiterate my point: College students don't have lawful authority to commit violence. Lampooning the college system as something even nearing the system of abuse in the policing system is deeply troubling.
- saagarjha 6y agoIt's being sarcastic, because recording people all the time and auditing what they say privately is dystopian regardless of the position.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoNot sure if I understand doubling down on a one-off sarcastic remark... Is this an American thing?
- saagarjha 6y agoI don't think so. Being sarcastic and amping it up until it's detected seems to be fairly common across cultures in my experience. (But then again, I am American.)
- soledades 6y ago"Auditing what they say privately" is begging the question. The parent's point is that the training of police officers should be public. No one is proposing that we record the police trainers when they go out for dinner with their family.
- saagarjha 6y agoI guess it means what we interpret "off the cuff side commentary" to be. I'm certainly not claiming we're going to attach a camera to people 24/7, but I think even in the classroom we should not be recording every interaction they have.
- deathgrips 6y agoWe do though. College students have the right to guns and the right to self-defense.
- deeblering4 6y agoSort of. Except qualified immunity does not protect/prevent college students from being held accountable for violent acts. This means that, unlike police, college students who hurt someone are going to be arrested, tried and very possibly convicted.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoQuestion: have you ever shot and killed someone in self defense? I have. I was in my home working late, when an intruder broke into my living room with a handgun. I heard the noise, grabbed my Remington. I told him to drop his weapon, and let me ziptie his hands. He tried shooting me, I hit him with two shells. He died within minutes. You have no idea what it's like to be a lawful gun owner, and explain to the police why there's a dead man in your living room that you just shot. I was arrested that night and sat in jail for a week while they tried to determine if I had murdered man. Keep in mind, at the time I lived in a Castle Doctrine state, it's legal to shoot intruders in self defense. Anyways long story short, and a few hundred thousand dollars later in court and legal fees, I was acquitted. Fortunately I had security footage of the intruder on my back porch, otherwise I might still be in jail. Self-defense and 2A is NOT the same power as the police. Nor should it, no one should have absolute violent authority.
- deathgrips 6y ago>explain to the police why there's a dead man in your living room >and a few hundred thousand dollars later in court and legal fees This is not legal advice. In the future, please consider not talking to the police for any reason. Please also consider buying legal insurance for self-defense incidents. Aside from that, I don't see what your point is. The power to defend yourself with violence is a legal right that Americans have in practice in most states. In Texas people with licenses to concealed carry end up committing fewer unjustified killings per capita than the police. They seem to be wielding their rights just fine.
- soledades 6y agoWhat's already public is pretty harrowing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwEYhIX4cbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwEYhIX4cbM
- yeetawayhn 6y agoCan you be more specific about what is harrowing?
- soledades 6y agoIt presumes before the fact that all police killings are justified (Obviously there was a clear and present danger to others!), and holds up remorselessness about killing as a sort of quasi-enlightened state.
- yeetawayhn 6y agoYou misconstrue the content to describe it like that. The justification is predicated on the a clear and present danger to others. What reasoning do you have to support being remorseful for saving others from a clear and present danger?
- deathgrips 6y agoNormal people have nightmares for years after killing someone, even in the most perfectly justified cases of self defense. You don't easily recover. If you can kill someone and be more or less OK after that, you probably have antisocial personality disorder or you've had a lot of training to desensitize you to killing. Neither of those are good qualities in public service.
- yeetawayhn 6y ago> Normal people have nightmares for years after killing someone, even in the most perfectly justified cases of self defense. This isn't an answer to the question. It is in fact a non-answer that endorses the irrational as an enlightened state.