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Well, without employees showing up there is no more Tesla. So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to li

Well, without employees showing up there is no more Tesla. So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to live in irrational fear and quit their job. The only mistake Tesla made was saying they didn't have to come if they were afraid. They should have just made it clear, come to work or be fired. I guess by your logic, CEOs of banks, supermarkets, food processing, farmers, truckers, utility workers, insurance companies, hardware stores, airlines, hotels, hospital workers, etc. are all evil because they are 'forcing' their employees to work too. But I'm sure that your response (in spirit) will be "The only essential businesses that should be allowed to force people to work are the ones THAT I NEED. I don't need a Tesla so it's not an essential business and we can just let it go out of business and layoff 50K people."

ilikehurdles 6y ago
> The only mistake Tesla made was saying they didn't have to come if they were afraid. They should have just made it clear, come to work or be fired. You call it a "mistake". I call it lying. It wasn't an accident or a run of the mill bad phrasing, it was trying to placate the government and the press with one message while punishing everyone who didn't read between the lines of it. And you're right about there not being a Tesla without employees showing up. That's why Elon fires anyone who he suspects recognizes the power of a strike.
- skellington 6y ago
  You say potato, I say politics. What startup company could survive unionization and striking workers?
  - AlexandrB 6y ago
    One whose competitive advantage is due to tehcnological innovation and not circumventing labor laws. Or was that rhetorical?
  - timmytokyo 6y ago
    Oh, I dunno, maybe a company that doesn't exploit and abuse its workers.
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    Tesla was formed nearly 20 years ago and has a market cap of $190B. It is not in any way, shape or form, a "startup".
AlexandrB 6y ago
> So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to live in irrational fear and quit their job. I get the feeling that this will not age well[1]. [1] https://update.covid19.ca.gov/#top https://update.covid19.ca.gov/#top
FireBeyond 6y ago
> But I'm sure that your response (in spirit) will be "The only essential businesses that should be allowed to force people to work are the ones THAT I NEED. I don't need a Tesla so it's not an essential business and we can just let it go out of business and layoff 50K people." I appreciate your presumptions. As someone who has worked as a paramedic, first responder, who has been a participant in County Public Health meetings, as someone who has supervised a quarantine and isolation facility, you'd apparently be surprised by how conservative my perspective of things is, whether or not I "need" them, and how willing I am to accept the inconveniences therewith. > So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to live in irrational fear and quit their job. There's a rather vast middle ground there. How about expressing alarm at the conditions being entirely suboptimal for minimizing risk? Despite Elon's claims, there is apparently significant concern about social distancing, opaque issues at Tesla's facilities. > I guess by your logic ... are all evil Please don't put words in my mouth. I never stated or implied that Elon/Tesla were "evil", or anything approximating that. I have an understanding that in order for society to continue to function certain things have to keep happening. I also understand that there is non-zero risk in this. I also know that given some care and flexibility, there are ways to significantly mitigate these unavoidable cases. I've also not had a haircut for a few months (actually, I lie, my girlfriend used a trimmer, once). It may be that my definition of "essential/necessary" differs from others. I don't overly have much sympathy for the people claiming that they are being "tread on" because they're not able to easily access a nail salon, etc.

ilikehurdles 6y ago

> The only mistake Tesla made was saying they didn't have to come if they were afraid. They should have just made it clear, come to work or be fired. You call it a "mistake". I call it lying. It wasn't an accident or a run of the mill bad phrasing, it was trying to placate the government and the press with one message while punishing everyone who didn't read between the lines of it. And you're right about there not being a Tesla without employees showing up. That's why Elon fires anyone who he suspects recognizes the power of a strike.

skellington 6y ago
You say potato, I say politics. What startup company could survive unionization and striking workers?
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  One whose competitive advantage is due to tehcnological innovation and not circumventing labor laws. Or was that rhetorical?
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  Oh, I dunno, maybe a company that doesn't exploit and abuse its workers.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Tesla was formed nearly 20 years ago and has a market cap of $190B. It is not in any way, shape or form, a "startup".

AlexandrB 6y ago

> So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to live in irrational fear and quit their job. I get the feeling that this will not age well[1]. [1] https://update.covid19.ca.gov/#top https://update.covid19.ca.gov/#top

FireBeyond 6y ago

> But I'm sure that your response (in spirit) will be "The only essential businesses that should be allowed to force people to work are the ones THAT I NEED. I don't need a Tesla so it's not an essential business and we can just let it go out of business and layoff 50K people." I appreciate your presumptions. As someone who has worked as a paramedic, first responder, who has been a participant in County Public Health meetings, as someone who has supervised a quarantine and isolation facility, you'd apparently be surprised by how conservative my perspective of things is, whether or not I "need" them, and how willing I am to accept the inconveniences therewith. > So each employee should be able to make the choice to take a very small risk and go to work or to live in irrational fear and quit their job. There's a rather vast middle ground there. How about expressing alarm at the conditions being entirely suboptimal for minimizing risk? Despite Elon's claims, there is apparently significant concern about social distancing, opaque issues at Tesla's facilities. > I guess by your logic ... are all evil Please don't put words in my mouth. I never stated or implied that Elon/Tesla were "evil", or anything approximating that. I have an understanding that in order for society to continue to function certain things have to keep happening. I also understand that there is non-zero risk in this. I also know that given some care and flexibility, there are ways to significantly mitigate these unavoidable cases. I've also not had a haircut for a few months (actually, I lie, my girlfriend used a trimmer, once). It may be that my definition of "essential/necessary" differs from others. I don't overly have much sympathy for the people claiming that they are being "tread on" because they're not able to easily access a nail salon, etc.