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My understanding is that Comcast signs a legally-binding contract with Mozilla which imposes the requirements on them [0]. This obviously isn't perfect protecti

My understanding is that Comcast signs a legally-binding contract with Mozilla which imposes the requirements on them [0]. This obviously isn't perfect protection, but it substantially increases the risk of failing to adhere to the requirements. Mozilla claims "We intend to publicly document violations of this Policy and take additional actions if necessary." [1]. Presumably the additional actions include suing for damages pursuant to the breach of contract. [0] https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2020/02/25/the-facts-mozillas-dns-over-https-doh/ https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2020/02/25/the-facts-mozi... [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/DOH-resolver-policy#Enforcement https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/DOH-resolver-policy#Enforc...

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Surely damages will be approximately zero? There has to be something else to sway Comcast's executives to abide by the contract, surely. Like the CEO agrees to forfeit an amount equal to their previous years total earnings, from all sources, ... that would be an interesting contract!
- mantap 6y ago
  If Comcast breaks the contract then Mozilla will simply change the default back to Cloudflare DNS.
  - mike_d 6y ago
    Out of the pot into the fire. 24 years ago a group of Stanford students started Architext. They took a few million from Kleiner Perkins, called themselves Excite, and started a search engine and internet provider. They were a good, ethical, well ran technology company. Over the years bits and pieces were chopped up and merged and acquired and spun off based on what generated shareholder value. Parts of that old soul live in on now in the current Comcast. The same thing will happen to Cloudflare. Matthew Prince will move on, or retire, or get hit by a bus. The board will be taken over by an activist investor. It will get merged with ExxonTacoBell, which also now owns the 2nd largest ad network. They will figure out the data gold mine the company built under total ethical pretenses, and the stock price will triple. There isn't a damn thing a single current Cloudflare employee can do to stop it except stop participating in the centralization of the internet behind a single MitM proxy.
    - Nemo_bis 6y ago
      I sure hope that Mozilla writes contracts so that they can't be transferred by sale or merger. That's the most basic protection from your friendly counterparty joining your sworn enemy.
zamalek 6y ago
> Presumably the additional actions include suing for damages pursuant to the breach of contract. Given that the sky is blue, and Comcast is Comcast, Mozilla should have some more funding pretty soon.
- themacguffinman 6y ago
  I think it's more likely that Mozilla should be dragged into a prolonged and expensive lawsuit that Comcast has the legal might and connections to win pretty soon.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago

Surely damages will be approximately zero? There has to be something else to sway Comcast's executives to abide by the contract, surely. Like the CEO agrees to forfeit an amount equal to their previous years total earnings, from all sources, ... that would be an interesting contract!

mantap 6y ago
If Comcast breaks the contract then Mozilla will simply change the default back to Cloudflare DNS.
- mike_d 6y ago
  Out of the pot into the fire. 24 years ago a group of Stanford students started Architext. They took a few million from Kleiner Perkins, called themselves Excite, and started a search engine and internet provider. They were a good, ethical, well ran technology company. Over the years bits and pieces were chopped up and merged and acquired and spun off based on what generated shareholder value. Parts of that old soul live in on now in the current Comcast. The same thing will happen to Cloudflare. Matthew Prince will move on, or retire, or get hit by a bus. The board will be taken over by an activist investor. It will get merged with ExxonTacoBell, which also now owns the 2nd largest ad network. They will figure out the data gold mine the company built under total ethical pretenses, and the stock price will triple. There isn't a damn thing a single current Cloudflare employee can do to stop it except stop participating in the centralization of the internet behind a single MitM proxy.
  - Nemo_bis 6y ago
    I sure hope that Mozilla writes contracts so that they can't be transferred by sale or merger. That's the most basic protection from your friendly counterparty joining your sworn enemy.

zamalek 6y ago

> Presumably the additional actions include suing for damages pursuant to the breach of contract. Given that the sky is blue, and Comcast is Comcast, Mozilla should have some more funding pretty soon.

themacguffinman 6y ago
I think it's more likely that Mozilla should be dragged into a prolonged and expensive lawsuit that Comcast has the legal might and connections to win pretty soon.