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Evaluation and euthanization of a dangerous honeybee colony [video]
- ballenf 6y agoThis is another miracle of the Youtube algorithm. I was recommended this video 2 days ago after having never watched a single bee-anything related video. And I watched every second of that video with rapt attention. Only problem is now I'm getting of bunch of beekeeping videos and I still have zero interest in the field.
- pedrocr 6y agoThere are plenty of things I have no interest in doing but have watched hours of great Youtube videos by very dedicated people in the field. The depth of some forms of user generated content is amazing and there's nothing wrong with being a spectator. There's definitely a sea of trash too though.
- Cerium 6y agoA couple of my favorites in this line of thought: David Bull of Mokuhankan (Japanese woodblock printing), Leo of Sampson Boat Co (rebuild 110 year old gaff cutter). They are both very knowledgeable in their field and take efforts to produce good content at their own pace as part of a long running objective. Regarding your point of there being a sea of trash, check out David Bulls video "Its not garbage" where he argues that out of all the garbage in our society, woodblock printing is something special. https://youtu.be/hIL3Xpaoe1o https://youtu.be/hIL3Xpaoe1o
- pedrocr 6y agoThanks for the video. The sea of trash I was thinking of is still trash by this definition. Youtube is full of videos that are just some other clip copied with an automated intro and other such things. The algorithm does ok at filtering it out but it's only helping you navigate the sea, you still hit a few of those often enough to be noticeable.
- stx 6y agoCody's Lab has lots of other content to but he used to post bee keeping videos. I found it interesting just from the standpoint of seeing how its done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdItRBzixf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdItRBzixf0 After watching this aggressive hive linked in the video above though I think I will leave this hobby to others to partake in.
- ndespres 6y agoAs he says, behavior like this, in his part of the world, is highly unusual. I've never seen anything like it. I'm glad he takes the time to show what a typical hive is like (at the 20:00 mark in the original video). Beekeeping is generally a very relaxing activity for both bees and beekeeper.
- imglorp 6y agoI think we got nerd sniped. The algorithm worked. However I'm curious about how someone could write their own customized recommendation engine, if the Youtube APIs even support that. One thing on my to-play-with list is http://invidio.us http://invidio.us, code at https://github.com/omarroth/invidious https://github.com/omarroth/invidious, which would be a nice starting point.
- someguyorother 6y agoYou basically need the visit and like graphs (which videos were liked/watched by what users), and I don't think the YouTube API will give you that. If you had those, a good place to start would be the alternating least squares algorithm. The visit/like graphs are "one-class", which means you don't know if user x hasn't watched video y because x disliked it or just didn't know of its existence. That makes it harder to apply ALS, but it can be done, e.g. http://www.rongpan.net/publications/pan-oneclasscf.pdf http://www.rongpan.net/publications/pan-oneclasscf.pdf
- makomk 6y agoSame here. Presumably this is why it's on HN all of a sudden too. The YouTube algorithm works in mysterious ways.
- schintan 6y agoyou click on the three dots on some of the recommended videos and choose "Not Interested" in case you want to stop the recommendations.
- JoelMcCracken 6y agoI keep trying this with Jordan Peterson videos, but somehow YT thinks I still want to see them.
- highstep 6y agoEventually it'll work. I managed to get rid of Jordan Peterson this way.
- DarmokJalad1701 6y agoI had this weird video recommended to me of some Norwegian lady interviewing some guy who is a psychic medium. The whole channel reeked of woo. Haven't seen any more since I hit "Not Interested"
- supernova87a 6y agoI am not quite sure the difference between "not interested" and "don't show me this channel" option? Does the first affect the recommendation engine, and the 2nd only blacklists a specific channel from being shown to you? Also, I don't know about anyone else with the same preferences/obssessiveness (I admit it's a bit futile in the bigger picture), but I've tried to give Youtube very strong/steady feedback about the videos it suggests to me (mostly in the negative direction), and it seems I've almost painted myself into a corner with being shown the same videos every day on the YT front page. I have no idea how long the feedback to their recommendation engine lasts or whether it tails off with time, etc... Or whether it's really worth me continuing to do so vs. opening videos in incognito mode, etc. is more effective.
- noctune 6y agoIt was on Reddit at around the same time: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/he2za9/beekeeper_makes_a_difficult_decision_to_euthanise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/he2za9/beekeeper_ma...
- danbr 6y agoAs did I. Up until now, I had watched maybe two videos about beekeeping in the past 6 years. I wonder if we’re all are “binned” into some YouTube nerd classification.
- erikig 6y agoI think the YouTube AI decided to save us all by making us all care about bees because we're about to annihilate ourselves because everyone is apathetic currently. Good Guy Goog
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y agoClick the "..." next to one of the bad recommendations. Click "Not interested." Click "Tell us why." Tick "I'm not interested in recommendations based on [whatever bee keeping video is cited here]." Click "Submit." Repeat if you keep getting bee keeping videos. Shouldn't take too many repeats of this process to stop seeing such videos.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y agoI've used this method in the past but it never worked for me. case in point: try to watch a single Joe Rogan and then try to get rid of the recommendations with this. nearly impossible. maybe certain topics are easier?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y agoI've never had a problem with it tbh. But ymmv of course.
- thatguy0900 6y agoI've had success with just removing the video from my watch history.
- aasasd 6y agoI sometimes use ‘private’/‘incognito’ tabs or NewPipe on Android to watch one-off vids that I otherwise don't want in my feed. But also, since the same vid popped up for me as well in the past days, and it's not the first such occurrence—I feel that it might be a not-entirely-organic phenomenon.
- paulcole 6y agoDelete it from your viewing history.
- hatchnyc 6y agoSame for me as well
- aimor 6y agoI like the YouTube auto-caption: [Music]
- phyzome 6y agoThat transition around 20 minutes to a normal beehive was amazing, even though I have experience hanging around bees.
- zxcvbn4038 6y agoWorst thing I ever did on youtube was watch a video review of a drone (remote control flying toy). Suddenly my youtube home is flooded with drone videos, half the ads are for drones, and outside of youtube I’m suddenly seeing drone ads all over the place. I watched another youtube video of a couple indigenous guys building a pool, and suddenly my wife (who watched the video with me but who does not use the same device as me) starts seeing similiar videos in in her youtube home.
- jtbayly 6y agoWhat does that have to do with this video?
- chris_wot 6y agoHe’s getting bee videos.
- Cerium 6y agoYou can open a private browsing tab to avoid this. I do that a lot with music videos so I can keep the recommendations to interesting content.
- forgotmypw17 6y agohttps://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6342839 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6342839 Watch history and search history Remove individual videos from your watch history: If you see recommendations on a subject you're not interested in, removing a video you previously watched on that topic may reduce the chance that you’ll see similar recommendations in the future. Remove individual queries from your search history: If you see recommendations on a subject you're not interested in, removing a search query you previously entered on that topic may reduce the chance that you’ll see similar recommendations in the future.
- StavrosK 6y agoI'm guessing you're going to start getting a lot of drone videos after watching this one, too...
- dj_gitmo 6y agoFor anyone looking for wholesome bee-saving content with a Cajun accent check out JPthebeeman https://www.youtube.com/user/JPthebeeman https://www.youtube.com/user/JPthebeeman
- moolcool 6y agoBush Bee Man is great as well https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC0xzN4rrvqvNdZRGFPn-rg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC0xzN4rrvqvNdZRGFPn-rg
- elliekelly 6y agoThe Bush Bee Man is a true "hacker" too. He's always tinkering with random pieces of junk to make the exact tool he needs for his beekeeping.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoEuthanizing of Dangerous Bee Hive (2020) Euthanizing of Dangerous Human Hive (2120)
- arm85 6y agoThat's funny, I just saw this suggested to me too, but I'm a beekeeper, so I wasn't expecting this to appear here.
- lmilcin 6y agoNot a beekeeper. Got it suggested yesterday. Not that it wasn't interesting. But I wonder how we landed in the situation where one company can cause entire world to watch same things at the same time.
- ISL 6y agoLike NBC Nightly News? When I was a kid, there were ~3 major national newscasts from which to choose and no internet.
- dheera 6y agoQuestion -- why go through that much trouble to euthanize the hive? Why not just get a huge trash bag, bag up the entire colony, and then pump CO2 into it?
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- arm85 6y agoThat's an interesting question. I'm not sure how you would pump CO2 into a bag and kill a colony. I'm not sure it's an accepted process for doing that. Maybe there's a chance you might accidentally euthanise yourself. I imagine at the start of the process, he was hoping to just kill the queen, and the entire colony would survive. In that case the other bees would replace the queen, with an emergency queen cell, if this was to happen the queen would probably be as aggressive as the previous generation. But he mentions that he intends on introducing a queen himself. In which case, I would have thought the colony would calm down. But I have no idea how much by, because I've never been in this situation.
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- EamonnMR 6y agoFunny, I just read Robbing The Bees which was a pretty good account of the practice and history of beekeeping, but lost me in its final chapter which listed bonkers alternative medicine based on honey and wax.
- exikyut 6y agoOh wow. Wowowow. This actually worked: Open the developer console and paste this in: var context = new AudioContext(); var videos = document.getElementsByTagName("video"); var audioElement = context.createMediaElementSource(videos[0]); context.destination.channelCount = 1; audioElement.connect(context.destination); The audio will now be in both channels. From: https://mikedombrowski.com/2019/03/fix-youtube-mono-one-ear-audio/ https://mikedombrowski.com/2019/03/fix-youtube-mono-one-ear-...
- sidpatil 6y agoHmm, not sure what issue you were having. I already hear the audio in both channels without that script.
- quietbritishjim 6y agoI had the same issue. Do you actually get stereo output on your device e.g. with this test video [1]? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TWJaFD6R2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TWJaFD6R2s
- bogwog 6y agoThe first ~2-3 minutes only have audio in one channel
- exikyut 6y agoOh. My ears weren't going to wait to find out. (I needed to raise the one remaining channel to an uncomfortable level to hear properly.)
- NyxWulf 6y agoThank you, that is handy, the audio in one channel happens often enough that it's nice to have a fix.
- Timpy 6y agoCool snippet, I had the same problem and this fixed it
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- andrewksl 6y agoI have always been enamored by hive insects like ants and bees. Each individual's understanding, effect, even its optical view of the world is minuscule. The scope and of the individual's existence is so tiny, that the mark it makes on the world is a floating point rounding error. In spite of that, the collective is enough to dominate a kitchen or farm or jungle many orders of magnitude larger. It knows to attack an intruder. It can give a hairless ape with years of training and three layers of protective equipment a really hard time. Hell, it can make a stir in that apex predator's society by reputation alone. Maybe I find the magnificent result of their cooperation inspiring in its implications for humanity and the greater galaxy. Maybe I'm just a weird nerd that knows what supervillain theme I would pick if this computer stuff doesn't work out.
- elwell 6y agoHow about hives of H20 molecules? Those things can work together to take out many thousands of people!
- caiobegotti 6y agoThat's kind of sad... I'm really into bees and I totally understand the decision of euthanizing the hive but, still... This is one of the reasons I love melipona so much, stingless bees depending on the species can be as productive as these nasty bees from the video (given eco-restrictions, local market etc). The reason these bees are used is because the market got so used to them over the centuries in Europe and it was built around its production rate of honey but if stingless bees were to have the same incentives they would be as much if not more productive. I consider these western honey bees to be invasive species and many melipona can't fight them successfully. Besides, of course, the whole ecology reasoning behind it as stingless bees sometimes are the only ones who can polinate local species (at least here in Brazil they are super essential and I am glad their hives are growing in popularity honey-wise). Poor bees...
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- ekr 6y agoYeah, before seeing the videos I was certain they were carrying some incurable disease like the American foulbrood. I was surprised to see that the reason for euthanizing them was the aggressiveness.
- Timpy 6y agoI understand the decision too, you can tell the guy in the video is really torn about this. He's frustrated but it was clearly a hard decision, he kept justifying it to the camera but I think he was really justifying it to himself.
- randyzwitch 6y agoWearing 3 layers of clothes and still getting stung. I can't even imagine trying to stay calm, even with the thought of protective clothing
- zaroth 6y agoThat was one of the interesting parts to me, how he kept consciously reminding himself he was safe (even though literally under attack) and then leaving the area to make an important decision so as not to be making it under the stress of the moment.
- 1MachineElf 6y agoYouTube recommended me this video last night. Nothing I usually watch has anything to do with the subject of this video, so it was an odd recommendation. Strange to see it here on HN too.
- glenstein 6y agoI'm seeing this throughout the thread, and also in the youtube comments. I wonder, do the youtube recommendations 'discover' that a video is going to be a hit, and then share it with tons of users regardless of their watch history?
- tw04 6y agoFYI: soapy water kills hornets too - the soap coats their abdomen and they suffocate. After trying to take out a nest and having an unexpected gust of wind blow a can of RAID back in my face I decided to look for non-toxic alternatives to kill off hornets. A squirt gun filled with a mix of warm water and dawn dish soap works better than RAID ever did, and if you have an old school super soaker you can spray from a heck of a lot farther away.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoDoes this work for paper wasps as well?
- tw04 6y agoYup! Now that you mention it, it was actually paper wasps I was trying to kill in the RAID incident. I've used it for both.
- emsign 6y agoThat's how I imagine what normal beekeeping is like.
- motoboi 6y agoSomewhere out there is a video of the Super AGI who controls the universe discussing if they should euthanize this universe or not, because humans are too aggressive and don't love mathematics enough to have any future. -- "What if we dispatch the queens?" -- "We already did that a couple of centuries ago. Didn't help."
- eitland 6y agoFWIW there are at least a couple of old stories about the world being drowned, in at least one of them it is because of the behavior of the humans. It doesn't however include detergent.
- monoideism 6y agoAnother very interesting YouTube channel dealing with bees, wasps, and hornets is: https://www.youtube.com/user/628DirtRooster https://www.youtube.com/user/628DirtRooster He removes pest bee colonies from homes and businesses, saving them and relocating them whenever possible.
- cameron_b 6y agoThat is such a great channel. His talk-me-through style enabled me to catch my first swarm.
- monoideism 6y agoVery cool!
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- crimsonalucard5 6y agoI wonder what will happen if you use one of those electric fly swatters.
- dorusr 6y agoWhy is it called euthanasia, when the bees cannot give consent? Isn't this just "Killing a dangerous hive"? I get it sounds less nice, but saying "euthanizing" is just deceitful language. Words have meaning.
- chris_wot 6y agoGaining consent is voluntary euthanasia. You can have non-voluntary euthanasia. However, you are correct that this isn’t euthanasia but for a different reason - you euthanise something to put it out of unbearable suffering. This is extermination, not euthanasia.
- jgwil2 6y agoIt's pretty common to refer to destroying an aggressive dog, for example, as euthanasia. This is an analogous situation, particularly given that, as pointed out elsewhere, honeybees are domesticated animals. I think this could fall under euthanasia for behavioral problems.
- chris_wot 6y agoI think that's a mistake in terminology. The dog is not suffering, others are suffering. Normally when I hear reports of dogs being killed due to aggression, the word I hear is "killed" or "destroyed". I think it does actually matter. Killing because of aggressive behaviour is execution, not euthanasia.
- DFHippie 6y ago"Euthanasia" just means "good death". And in common usage it means killing something not as punishment or to serve your own interests in some way but for the "greater good"; so executions aren't euthanasia, slaughtering animals to process their bodies or as by-kill in pursuit of some other aim is not euthanasia, and killing for sport or amusement is not euthanasia. Basically, it's killing with regret and respect for the being killed and without selfish intent. So "euthanasia" doesn't mean what you suggest it means.
- vikramkr 6y agoHis very next video shows a hive behaving normally and the difference is stark [0]. One thing to keep in mind for those conflicted about killing off the colony "just" because it's aggressive: honeybees aren't native to here. They were brought here by humans as domesticated animals. You're not hurting a native species or negatively impacting the local ecology - you're protecting the genetics of a domesticated animal imported for honey production, and preventing harm to others caused by an out of control bee hive. It's not the same as killing wolves because they're aggressive where you're messing with the local ecology - honey bees aren't from the US. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2O15qfA6Eo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2O15qfA6Eo
- pks016 6y agoSurprised to see this here. I used to work in a bee lab. I understand what kind of aggression he's talking about. I don't have experience with Malipona but dorsata are aggressive like this. That's usual for them. Really difficult to handle. Sad to see euthanizing the colony. When colony becomes super-aggressive in a neighbourhood, it's a difficult decision to make. One way is to transfer the colony to another location and monitor it's behavior.
- oh_sigh 6y agoHe mentions that as an option in the video, which is possible since he is located in the relatively remote areas of northwestern NJ, but you still need almost 2 months to let the hive re-queen, and there's still the possibility of them finding unsuspecting victims (e.g. hunters).
- pks016 6y agoYeah. In bee keeping it becomes a trade-off I guess. Generally, bees won't attack someone unless there's unusual activity or disturbance in colony. Or sometimes this kind of aggression is the inherent property of the colony due to their life history and genetics of queen.
- pvaldes 6y agoCasually I just finish to build my new bee hotel this week (Just a log with some holes of different diameters). There are bees for any type of garden. Even small urban gardens can have it. Now opened for buzzness and waiting for customers. Any tip to make it more interesting?
- pks016 6y agoYou can observe the bees and condition them to come at specific time. E.g put feeder (sugar water on a plate) in morning or evening in some distance from the colony (if the colony is there in the hotel) or put the feeder near the hotel. You could see how accurately bees will make trips to feeder after few trials, observe the dance in front of fellow bees, record the dance in camera. Further you can try to calculate the distance and direction of feeder from hive using the dance of bee. (there's a simple formula and there's always research going on this.)
- YetAnotherNick 6y agoHow did he put bees back into the hive? Looking at the attack it was not looking like they would go back by themselves.
- tectec 6y agoWhat I gathered from the video is that he taped the entrances shut at night when most of the bees were inside the hive. Any bees that happened to be outside of the hive when he euthanized it would die eventually from hunger since they didn't have access to a hive anymore.
- MauranKilom 6y agoBees return to the hive for the night. He sealed the entrance in the late evening (the few bees you see outside afterwards are those who had not made it home at that point).
- labawi 6y agoAutor claims "soap" is not toxic. Real soap is not really toxic, but what he is using is dishwashing detergent, which is usually notably toxic and not biodegradable. I wouldn't pour a bottle of it my back yard. Also, it typically coats greasy surfaces, and probably waxes as well. It makes it easier to wash off grease, but if you don't/can't, the detergent stays there.