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That's no different to how Firefox or Chrome would do it if I had an old version of either installed. I.e. If Firefox switched to Chromium I would expect the e

by cbo100 6y ago

That's no different to how Firefox or Chrome would do it if I had an old version of either installed. I.e. If Firefox switched to Chromium I would expect the exact same behaviour "New Firefox" and "Old Firefox" is not a distinction.

Dylan16807 6y ago
You're missing the point, though. You can make a consistent explanation for either side, as you have just done. If it's the same browser, then transferring the default status is correct. If it's a new browser, then asking what should be default is correct. Chredge is doing both, depending on which one advantages them more.
- im3w1l-alt 6y ago
  Consider this from the perspective of the user's intention. This is the exact behavior I would want if I installed Edge. Saying this as someone who mainly uses firefox and occasionally brave.
  - franga2000 6y ago
    But users didn't install Edge. It installed itself. Yes, writing a special case for just this one situation sounds annoying, but they have a responsibility to their users. If the user didn't install something new, they shouldn't get the popup. That was the deal and MS broke it.
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      Getting updates from Windows Update with everything they include, was also part of the deal. As you say, they have responsibility to their users; If the URL handler was old Edge, and they didn't change it while removing old Edge, the user would have broken internet access and not understand why. That's no good. If the URL handler was updated to quietly move to new Edge, they just swapped out a major piece of software for one which looks and behaves differently, with a different icon, without any introduction or warning or confirmation, which is an awful experience for users. Microsoft get accused of special-casing themselves and their browser, and it breaks the work Microsoft has done for years to stop programs changing file/protocol handlers without confirming it with the user. [see Raymond Chen writing about it here https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20181016-00/?p=99985 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20181016-00/?p=99... ] If they decide a browser is not part of Windows and you have to install new Edge from the app store yourself, tens of millions of computers are now stuck on the last version of old Edge basically forever - because there's no Windows 11 on the way to replace it - and it becomes the new IE6 millstone for web developers. If they also remove old Edge at the same time, millions of people lost their browser and don't know why - and the only default one remaining is IE 11. There is a new thing, the hypothetical user who had settled into Edge does need to know, however it got installed.

by cbo100 6y ago

Dylan16807 6y ago

You're missing the point, though. You can make a consistent explanation for either side, as you have just done. If it's the same browser, then transferring the default status is correct. If it's a new browser, then asking what should be default is correct. Chredge is doing both, depending on which one advantages them more.

im3w1l-alt 6y ago
Consider this from the perspective of the user's intention. This is the exact behavior I would want if I installed Edge. Saying this as someone who mainly uses firefox and occasionally brave.
- franga2000 6y ago
  But users didn't install Edge. It installed itself. Yes, writing a special case for just this one situation sounds annoying, but they have a responsibility to their users. If the user didn't install something new, they shouldn't get the popup. That was the deal and MS broke it.
  - jodrellblank 6y ago
    Getting updates from Windows Update with everything they include, was also part of the deal. As you say, they have responsibility to their users; If the URL handler was old Edge, and they didn't change it while removing old Edge, the user would have broken internet access and not understand why. That's no good. If the URL handler was updated to quietly move to new Edge, they just swapped out a major piece of software for one which looks and behaves differently, with a different icon, without any introduction or warning or confirmation, which is an awful experience for users. Microsoft get accused of special-casing themselves and their browser, and it breaks the work Microsoft has done for years to stop programs changing file/protocol handlers without confirming it with the user. [see Raymond Chen writing about it here https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20181016-00/?p=99985 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20181016-00/?p=99... ] If they decide a browser is not part of Windows and you have to install new Edge from the app store yourself, tens of millions of computers are now stuck on the last version of old Edge basically forever - because there's no Windows 11 on the way to replace it - and it becomes the new IE6 millstone for web developers. If they also remove old Edge at the same time, millions of people lost their browser and don't know why - and the only default one remaining is IE 11. There is a new thing, the hypothetical user who had settled into Edge does need to know, however it got installed.