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Perhaps, we should wave this magic wand to make you order less stuff? No tech can save us unless we start to consume less. Also, we should care less about optim

by bttrfl 6y ago

Perhaps, we should wave this magic wand to make you order less stuff? No tech can save us unless we start to consume less. Also, we should care less about optimising our time which we are likely to waste anyway on netflix and co.

Kalium 6y ago
I'm a very strange person in many ways. I personally prefer to be able to make my own choices about how I waste away my free time - Netflix, books, biking, walks, prayer, meditation, yoga, etc. Trading that in for spending more time to get my groceries (or toiletries, or dry goods, or similar) does not sound like an attractive choice to me. I understand that this is an unusual personality trait. Still, I'm reluctant to give it up.
- bttrfl 6y ago
  I don't think this is about "attractive choices". Either our lifestyles (and those who will live after us) are sustainable or not. If they are not, we should consider changing our behaviour.
smooth_remmy 6y ago
> Please stop buying stuff. It's bad for the environment. But also keep working - we need you paying your taxes! If I'm morally not allowed to buy stuff because its bad for the environment, then what incentive do I have to earn more than 40k/year? Do I exist just to pay taxes to the government to fund "more moral" causes than my own consumption?
- bttrfl 6y ago
  Is this a genuine question? There is no obligation to make more than 40k. Instead of making more money you could just work less and do what you like/love (as long as it's not bad for environment).
nradov 6y ago
A universal carbon emissions tax would be an effective magic wand to make people order less stuff.
- bttrfl 6y ago
  I assume you mean tax paid with money? That's not a solution. Most, if not all the ways that people make money require emitting more carbon and producing more waste. Such tax would lead to fatal feedback loop. I'd love to see something like a personal carbon quota, same for every person on a planet.

by bttrfl 6y ago

Kalium 6y ago

I'm a very strange person in many ways. I personally prefer to be able to make my own choices about how I waste away my free time - Netflix, books, biking, walks, prayer, meditation, yoga, etc. Trading that in for spending more time to get my groceries (or toiletries, or dry goods, or similar) does not sound like an attractive choice to me. I understand that this is an unusual personality trait. Still, I'm reluctant to give it up.

bttrfl 6y ago
I don't think this is about "attractive choices". Either our lifestyles (and those who will live after us) are sustainable or not. If they are not, we should consider changing our behaviour.

smooth_remmy 6y ago

> Please stop buying stuff. It's bad for the environment. But also keep working - we need you paying your taxes! If I'm morally not allowed to buy stuff because its bad for the environment, then what incentive do I have to earn more than 40k/year? Do I exist just to pay taxes to the government to fund "more moral" causes than my own consumption?

bttrfl 6y ago
Is this a genuine question? There is no obligation to make more than 40k. Instead of making more money you could just work less and do what you like/love (as long as it's not bad for environment).

nradov 6y ago

A universal carbon emissions tax would be an effective magic wand to make people order less stuff.

bttrfl 6y ago
I assume you mean tax paid with money? That's not a solution. Most, if not all the ways that people make money require emitting more carbon and producing more waste. Such tax would lead to fatal feedback loop. I'd love to see something like a personal carbon quota, same for every person on a planet.