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I disagree, I don't think they're anywhere near locking down to the iOS level. Could you explain some of these incremental lock downs? I honestly can't think o

I disagree, I don't think they're anywhere near locking down to the iOS level. Could you explain some of these incremental lock downs? I honestly can't think of any that are genuine restrictions, but that might just be because I don't encounter them with what I do.

lwhi 6y ago
Every new release of OS X has been an increasing disappointment for years now. Security issues, bugs, incompatibilities. It's almost as if they've been actively devesting in OS X. At least we now understand why. Mac's are no longer machines fit for professional development. It's a damn shame, but it's true in my mind.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  They just switched Macs to an entirely new architecture. I think they probably put more effort into macOS than iOS this year.
  - lwhi 6y ago
    That's not my point. This new OS version is not OS X.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Neither was the last one!
      - lwhi 6y ago
        The 10 in the version number is a clue[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Catalina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Catalina
- lwhi 6y ago
  To the downvoters .. hope that koolaid tastes good!
  - viro 6y ago
    You got down voted because you didn't say anything. Go ahead read it again, I'll wait. Notice how the closest you got to making a point was Macs are not "fit for professional development"
    - lwhi 6y ago
      I disagree and I think you're incorrect. For a long time, I and other people I know chose MBP for professional web-development / video editing / music production because they were provided with a slick GUI on top of a solid operating system. It's fairly apparent to most people who read tech news, that the quality of the operating system isn't what it was. For instance, think back to the 'no password necessary for root user' debacle a few years ago. I don't think it's beyond the realms of credulity to consider why this type of problem was allowed to occur in Apple's 'professional' line. If you're still with me, perhaps you'd also be able to follow my line of reasoning when I surmise that the reason for this degradation of support, may have been because they were planning on dropping their support for OS X .. with this convergence event being its replacement. In reality, it's your own sassy comment that's devoid of content. Hope you really did wait! :)
72deluxe 6y ago
How about the non-modifiable hidden system partition? Inability to create directories under / That alone has stopped me moving my Macs to the latest OS after testing.
- thoughtsimple 6y ago
  Turn off System Integrity Protection. Not a good idea but it will let you make unnecessary changes to /.
  - filleduchaos 6y ago
    All they really did was make it harder to thoughtlessly do. If you can't cope with the procedure needed to make changes to the write-protected folders, maybe whatever it is you wanted to write there isn't actually that important.
    - 72deluxe 6y ago
      That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? Finder hides all of /etc and /bin and /usr for the "protection" of normal users, just like the default view for Windows Explorer under C:\Windows\System. But you can still change the contents on Windows, or see the directories in Terminal on macOS. Should they hide those directories when you use Terminal too? After all, /etc is important. Your reasoning would also stand up there - perhaps whatever files you were attempting to modify under /etc wasn't actually that important. When does the "you cannot easily modify files on your own machine" stop? Would you also accept the inability to change your wallpaper with such glee? Perhaps the wallpaper you wanted wasn't actually that important.
      - Xylakant 6y ago
        > That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? There have been examples of (un)installer scripts removing substantial parts of your system, steam for example. Linux in this case https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671, but not generally unthinkable on MacOS. It's generally good if the system puts up barriers to prevent such occurrences. You're entirely welcome to disable these protections, but MacOS is designed to protect Joe User who may have substantially less knowledge and who has no general need to mess around in /etc

lwhi 6y ago

Every new release of OS X has been an increasing disappointment for years now. Security issues, bugs, incompatibilities. It's almost as if they've been actively devesting in OS X. At least we now understand why. Mac's are no longer machines fit for professional development. It's a damn shame, but it's true in my mind.

saagarjha 6y ago
They just switched Macs to an entirely new architecture. I think they probably put more effort into macOS than iOS this year.
- lwhi 6y ago
  That's not my point. This new OS version is not OS X.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Neither was the last one!
    - lwhi 6y ago
      The 10 in the version number is a clue[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Catalina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Catalina
lwhi 6y ago
To the downvoters .. hope that koolaid tastes good!
- viro 6y ago
  You got down voted because you didn't say anything. Go ahead read it again, I'll wait. Notice how the closest you got to making a point was Macs are not "fit for professional development"
  - lwhi 6y ago
    I disagree and I think you're incorrect. For a long time, I and other people I know chose MBP for professional web-development / video editing / music production because they were provided with a slick GUI on top of a solid operating system. It's fairly apparent to most people who read tech news, that the quality of the operating system isn't what it was. For instance, think back to the 'no password necessary for root user' debacle a few years ago. I don't think it's beyond the realms of credulity to consider why this type of problem was allowed to occur in Apple's 'professional' line. If you're still with me, perhaps you'd also be able to follow my line of reasoning when I surmise that the reason for this degradation of support, may have been because they were planning on dropping their support for OS X .. with this convergence event being its replacement. In reality, it's your own sassy comment that's devoid of content. Hope you really did wait! :)

72deluxe 6y ago

How about the non-modifiable hidden system partition? Inability to create directories under / That alone has stopped me moving my Macs to the latest OS after testing.

thoughtsimple 6y ago
Turn off System Integrity Protection. Not a good idea but it will let you make unnecessary changes to /.
- filleduchaos 6y ago
  All they really did was make it harder to thoughtlessly do. If you can't cope with the procedure needed to make changes to the write-protected folders, maybe whatever it is you wanted to write there isn't actually that important.
  - 72deluxe 6y ago
    That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? Finder hides all of /etc and /bin and /usr for the "protection" of normal users, just like the default view for Windows Explorer under C:\Windows\System. But you can still change the contents on Windows, or see the directories in Terminal on macOS. Should they hide those directories when you use Terminal too? After all, /etc is important. Your reasoning would also stand up there - perhaps whatever files you were attempting to modify under /etc wasn't actually that important. When does the "you cannot easily modify files on your own machine" stop? Would you also accept the inability to change your wallpaper with such glee? Perhaps the wallpaper you wanted wasn't actually that important.
    - Xylakant 6y ago
      > That doesn't make sense. What is in / that is dangerous? There have been examples of (un)installer scripts removing substantial parts of your system, steam for example. Linux in this case https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671, but not generally unthinkable on MacOS. It's generally good if the system puts up barriers to prevent such occurrences. You're entirely welcome to disable these protections, but MacOS is designed to protect Joe User who may have substantially less knowledge and who has no general need to mess around in /etc