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Apple WWDC Keynote

218 points by ProZsolt 6y ago

gjsman-1000 6y ago
The price is out for the developer transition kit: $500. Very reasonable.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  (Note: to rent.)
chvid 6y ago
I thought this was a developers conference ... it is all sales and product presentation?
- macintux 6y ago
  They always use the keynote to talk about user-facing enhancements.
ProZsolt 6y ago
I really like that they started streaming it on youtube so I can play it on my chromecast
- ehsankia 6y ago
  No more installing Chrome extensions to deal with HLS or having to use Edge either.
  - techslave 6y ago
    “having to”? Edge is nice, actually.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      It would be even nicer if MS didn’t try to force it down your throat.
  - isiahl 6y ago
    Pretty sure Edge doesn't support HLS anymore after their switch to Blink
    - ehsankia 6y ago
      Well technically old Edge is still around, and obviously this was referring to previous years. It's true that in the future the Edge route won't work, but thankfully now they're streaming to youtube so that's a moot point.
- elFarto 6y ago
  They also issued take downs to other people streaming/commentating over it almost immediately.
minimaxir 6y ago
If you're watching on a Mac/iOS device, it's also available in the TV app.
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Zaheer 6y ago
This feels like its been prerecorded (understandably). Though it just doesn't have the same feel as previous keynotes.
- duncanawoods 6y ago
  Feels like a cross between an infomercial and educational video for kindergarteners.
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    Yeah, the "acting" here is terrible. I don't know why they couldn't have acted like it was live instead of a cheesy infomercial.
  - MikusR 6y ago
    You expected something else from an Apple keynote?
- jedieaston 6y ago
  It definitely is, one of Craig's notes was "Remote Keynote watch party with team"
  - DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
    This is tradition. Pretty much all of the events shown in the background during WWDC keynotes are silly things. One of Craig's reminders today was "Competitive Meditation". It's just a silly thing to amuse people who are paying attention.
- makecheck 6y ago
  Also, I wish they wouldn’t do the “trendy” side-of-head camera swaps. There is nothing useful about looking at someone’s ear while they appear to be talking to someone else and not to you.
toyg 6y ago
With widgets, Apple finally enters the decade we've just left behind. Edit: also, mentions could go spectacularly wrong... "John is a real idiot!" -- oops.
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- jaywalk 6y ago
  How would that be going "spectacularly wrong" with mentions? It would have been said in a group chat John is in, so it's not like he'd be seeing a message he shouldn't have.
  - toyg 6y ago
    From what I understood in the keynote, and I might be wrong, it will be used by Siri to actually send the message.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      I think Apple realizes that instantly forwarding all messages to mentioned individuals would be pretty stupid.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  Yes, but hopefully iOS widgets will not introduce the same issues Android widgets had. Also, I don't see how mentions will "go wrong". When you type a name, I believe you can convert it into a mention but it's not necessary. Additionally, mentions are conversation-specific, so you're only tagging people who are in the current conversation. Same thing you see in Facebook Messenger, I think.
  - omnibrain 6y ago
    What's wrong with widgets? I first used Android, then switched to iPhone, later I used both (personal and business phone) and all the time I missed Widgets on iOS. When I still commuted by bike I used a weather radar widget to check if I better hurry or wait to not get (too) wet. And I used a widget to control my Sonos.
modeless 6y ago
New iOS features so far look like Android parity catchup. Finally, a way to remove apps from the home screen without uninstalling them, and an "all apps" view so you can still find them. And real home screen widgets. And picture in picture video. New Siri overlay design seems similar in function to the new Google Assistant overlay design. On device voice recognition for keyboard dictation, like GBoard on Pixel. Maps guides, bike directions, like Google Maps. App Clips, like Play Instant Apps. Incoming calls as notifications, like the Google Phone app.
- duxup 6y ago
  I always thought widgets were a huge deal and then I realized... and I played with them all the time but inevitably ... I used them less and less and less. My phone as a sort of dashboard just doesn't work, I suspect it would require too much customization to really create to work for me and probably anyone else. Usually I want to just open a specific app anyway.
  - jdofaz 6y ago
    I find it really helpful having the calendar widget on my first homescreen
    - GloriousKoji 6y ago
      I need a calendar and todo list in my face. Notifications were okay but there's so many of them now it's mostly noise.
  - ProZsolt 6y ago
    The only "widgets" I use are on my lock screen: time, weather, meetings. Everything else is just a distraction.
  - JoshTriplett 6y ago
    Widgets can definitely be overused. But I like having a calendar, a data usage meter, music player controls, and quick access to my top couple of contacts.
sidcool 6y ago
They cannot keep giving ground breaking updates to the OS every year. It's OK.
kick 6y ago
What is it with every messaging platform/app becoming reddit-style lately? First twitter did it, then a bunch of sites copied that, now Apple's messaging app is shifting to it? Weird! I think it's probably a good thing, but it's still jarring to see.
- kick 6y ago
  As a whole, this WWDC feels like Bikeshedding, Billions of Dollars of Technical Investment Edition.
  - kick 6y ago
    "Allow Apple to control who can unlock your car" seems to very quickly lead to "Congratulations, law enforcement will literally never knock, ask or notify when breaking into your car going into the future." I could just be cynical though.
    - kick 6y ago
      iPad improvements are interesting; I can't think of any other product that started with so much potential but was completely fumbled in the same way.
      - kick 6y ago
        iPad Siri literally copies those web chatbots you see everywhere now, design-wise; bottom right corner, larger-than-necessary circle.
        kick 6y ago
        'Universal Search' seems to be a clone of Spotlight, now on iPad. Interesting.
        kick 6y ago
        'Draw into any text field and OCR it' is another instance of bikeshedding but I can't help but feel impressed by it.
scop 6y ago
The overproduction on this presentation is jarring. Given that so much of Apple's success is based on "simple" and "familiar" things, having Craig Federighi hover of an ominous greenscreen'd floating keynote outside of Steve Jobs theater just feels off. Surely the best way to make virtual events feel familiar is to have actual humans interacting, touching, etc? Instead here you have isolated individuals floating in computer generated environments. Why aren't we just watching memoji's talk to us if that's the case?
- m_mueller 6y ago
  Totally dry and corporate. Long gone are the Steve Jobs presentation days unfortunately.
- bluedino 6y ago
  It feels like a weird training video from some large company. "Here at McDonald's you'll help our customers get their favorite foods!"
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  What does it mean to 'overproduce' something? Are you saying it's too polished and well done?
  - ProZsolt 6y ago
    Too many visual effects and the whole thing feels sterile.
  - franciscop 6y ago
    It means it seems too artificial and unnatural, so it feels like an ad.
    - Aqua_Geek 6y ago
      I mean, this IS an ad.
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greenhatglack 6y ago
I can’t help to believe that all the hard work was done by men and all the presentation was done by women.
- greenhatglack 6y ago
  As an update; only Apple Watch and iPad had male presenters. The rest were women, out of all the presentations 80% were done by women. I wonder this related to the garbage quality in their software. As if they’ve left meritocracy for popularity instead? Also, not a single Indian? I mean the CEO of both Google and Microsoft are Indians but Apple doesn’t have a single Indian in a leadership position? Not sexy enough for some voices? Some people will find that worth thinking about, others will silence any discourse about it.
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- rideontime 6y ago
  You probably can.
vadansky 6y ago
Excited about the Applets. Sounds like what QR codes promised to be, but ended up being too cumbersome
- toyg 6y ago
  it's a bit annoying that they used their own proprietary format, which they will probably never open to others.
  - BluSyn 6y ago
    They demoed QR codes working as well
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  Not sure if you're just making a joke, but I believe the feature you're referring to is called "App Clips" for anybody else who sees this and is curious. (Applets are a Java thing from yesteryear.)
  - dhosek 6y ago
    And 90% of applets were an animated banner of the website name with its reflection in a rippling pool of water.
Tomte 6y ago
App Clips: yet another code. QR would have been nice.
ralmidani 6y ago
App Clips seem like they would be very convenient and useful if you're visiting a medium-large city and doing things you didn't know there was an app for.
BjoernKW 6y ago
Did Apple actually just invent webpages with App Clips? https://xkcd.com/1367/ https://xkcd.com/1367/
- kick 6y ago
  Forced requirement of <10mb, so it's actually more like gopher than it is modern web pages, but given the max is still 10mb, it's...not exactly wonderful.
- Jyaif 6y ago
  The problem with webpages is that they don't make money out of them.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Nor do they make money from the free apps that they demo'd....
- vadansky 6y ago
  "Oh this resturant looks cool, let's check the menu before going in" "Find it on Maps... No website link" "K, open a browser... new tab... let's search by name" "No.. Not the one in Oralando" "No.. Not the band" "Ah, this looks correct" "Oh god, it's using flash" Versus "Tap" "Pay with Apply Pay"
  - efdee 6y ago
    versus Scan QR code* * on any device.
    - vadansky 6y ago
      I've never had a good experience with QR codes Stand directltly in front and align your phone just so. Opens browser, downloads a huge JavaScript framework with ads up the wazoo, final page doesn't render good on the phone, have to scroll around to see everything, tiny text have to zoom into to read correctly. I have nothing against QR codes, but no one uses them well. Obviously would have been nice though. I was excited about QR codes too.
CJefferson 6y ago
There is nothing about AppClips which look like they wouldn't be possible with QR codes. Making these without providing Android support just feels mean, but I assume they are planning on making the Apple specific from the talk.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  > Making these without providing Android support just feels mean You want Android to be able to run mini versions of iOS App Store apps? That seems completely unreasonable. If that's not what you mean, then I don't understand what you think they could do here to "provide Android support".
  - CJefferson 6y ago
    QR codes just map to a URL/string. They could make these an open platform, and let developers define what they map to on other OSes. Instead they have gone full lockin. I dont expect them to be that successful, past experience tells us things with one OS lockin rarely succeed.
    - samatman 6y ago
      Explains why I never use Apple Pay...
jupp0r 6y ago
I always am amazed how Apple mentions individual emojis that they added in the same section as major OS features.
- jmull 6y ago
  They do it because that's how much people care.
- xenadu02 6y ago
  I suggest everyone attempt to understand what their customers value. Rather than judging them try to make them happy and/or solve their problems (depending on the context).
  - aspaceman 6y ago
    It’s just that this is WWDC. Why is this conference about “what customers value”? Why can’t this one be the one where they go trough the serious features and talk to those folks. It seems to me they just ignore devs nowadays and focus on pushing the product to consumers.
    - ZekeSulastin 6y ago
      I thought the vast majority of the WWDC schedule was devoted to more specialized talks? IIRC this year they are posting prerecorded sessions online with access to engineers in the forums and additionally doing 1-on-1 labs. ((Edit - linked last year's schedule by mistake woops))
    - kccqzy 6y ago
      You're looking for the state of the union talk of the WWDC. The WWDC keynote isn't really for developers; it's for the general public.
  - derefr 6y ago
    I would normally agree, but the "customers" for WWDC are developers who want to get business value out of producing apps for the Apple ecosystem, no? It's not an "industry" presentation, an E3 or CES-like event, where the goal is to feed PR to reporters to trickle down to consumers; the final audience for the presentation are the very people watching it, and that audience doesn't necessarily even use Apple devices as their primary devices—they just sell into the Apple software market, potentially as one market among the many they target. Any talk at a WWDC keynote about e.g. new hardware, isn't because new Apple hardware is fundamentally exciting to these people; it's for the sake of reassuring them that Apple is keeping the market for their software thriving by giving the demand side of their market [hardware] reasons to buy into the ecosystem, or stay in the ecosystem. (It's also for the sake of talking about new software features enabled by hardware changes, e.g. the touchbar translating to an additional interaction paradigm for apps, or ML cores translating to ARKit.) I don't really see how talking about emoji achieves the same goal of reassuring developers, given that consumers don't really make buying decisions based on the availability of emoji within one ecosystem but not another. (In fact, in my observation, the reverse is true; people usually avoid using new emoji until the people they text with can see them, meaning that a new emoji only becomes useful when both iOS and Android support it.)
pcwalton 6y ago
Very nice to see that you can change your default browser now on iOS.
- modeless 6y ago
  Agreed, now if only they would stop blocking competition in browser engines...
- damnyou 6y ago
  You get to choose between this Safari skin and this other Safari skin. What a giant leap.
ffritz 6y ago
Are App Clips Apples “answer” to PWAs? Semi-installed Apps with more privileges than a website, requiring the usual iOS dev workflow with a paid plan of course (seems like App Clips are part of a regular App, so you have to write a regular app anyway). Oh and it supports Apple Pay and Login. I’m convinced that this is another sign that PWAs are never going to be really capable on iOS.
- jamil7 6y ago
  It's an answer to one of PWA's advantages, the install friction. It's also a feature thats existed on Android for a while, although I don't see much uptake.
  - jayd16 6y ago
    Hopefully now that there's feature parity we'll see some increased support across all platforms.
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- coffeeri 6y ago
  I'd say it's the answer to Google play Instant. https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant
  - charwalker 6y ago
    This is used so rarely, in my experience, that it's jarring on first use but overall a good experience. Usually I find the web interface fine or good enough for how often I use it and move on. Once I liked the Instant version so well I got the actual app. For things I do regularly and can be 100% via web, it is nice to see a better implementation via an app and install it.
  - sgt 6y ago
    I wouldn't say it's the answer - it's a different take, and I suspect it will be executed really well. The UI looks intuitive. App Clips will potentially be revolutionary in terms of app adoption. It's hard enough to get people to install your apps. Now if you have a real life item pushing you in that direction, offering you a light weight app to start off with, it's SO much easier. I'm super excited about App Clips.
qwobit 6y ago
Does anyone else feel like Apple is pushing China a lot more this year? I know they’re such a big and important country for corporate success, but it honestly feels like they’re pandering to Chinese consumers.
- macintux 6y ago
  “Pandering” by supporting their needs? Yes, I suppose if that’s your definition of pandering, they’ve been prioritizing China for a few years now.
  - qwobit 6y ago
    No, that’s not what I meant. The little comment about ‘I’m learning Chinese’ was pretty deliberate during the scribble demo.
    - jmull 6y ago
      That was just to point out the text-recognition engine can handle both English and Chinese in the same text field at the same time. Showing features your customers would like isn't really the same thing as pandering.
    - DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
      Written Chinese is an incredibly difficult language for handwriting recognition because there are literally hundreds of thousands of symbols, and they are not all amalgamations of smaller symbols as you might be tempted to think. Showing support for Chinese is impressive. Additionally, the speaker may have actually been learning how to write Chinese (it's not exactly unheard of), so it could have been a case of "We need to showcase this technology that support handwriting in multiple languages. Since I'm learning Chinese, maybe I'll use that!" Not everything is a nefarious corporate-state conspiracy.
- throwaway29102 6y ago
  How does pandering differ from finding product-market fit?
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sneak 6y ago
It astounds me that Apple is still pushing privacy as a big differentiator when most of the iCloud data (such as all of your photos and notes) is not end to end encrypted, and the iCloud Backup provides every single piece of information on your phone to Apple effectively unencrypted, including all of your previously-end-to-end-encrypted iMessages (in the chat history). Until this is fixed, Apple's privacy messaging is just lip service. Do they think people just won't notice or care? https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/ https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
- samoa42 6y ago
  > and the iCloud Backup provides every single piece of information on your phone to Apple effectively unencrypted also true for google-backup.
  - modeless 6y ago
    You are wrong. Google backup is end-to-end encrypted. https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encrypted-backups-google-hasnt https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encryp...
lowmemcpu 6y ago
The additional iOS privacy protections (camera & mic use, and Safari tracking sounds great). The developer self-reporting of data use is great, but can we trust self-reporting? What's to dis-incentivize the developers from lying?
- elevenoh 6y ago
  How would one verify these privacy protections are as they say?
  - graeme 6y ago
    They can review the code in app review Edit: seems I’m wrong
    - richardwhiuk 6y ago
      They don't - they only get the binary. They could be decompiling it, but I doubt it. They can see what functions it calls.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        They do sometimes, if rarely.
  - K0nserv 6y ago
    Monitor outgoing network traffic via mitmproxy/Charles Proxy. It's currently very transparent where and what kind of data leaves a given app, if you look for it.
- MrQuimico 6y ago
  They can remove the app from the App Store at will. We need to wait to know the details, but it's very likely this will be one of the reasons the will use.
- vadansky 6y ago
  This is why I don't get why people want the AppStore to be like Play Store In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage Compared to Play Store, the AppStore feels a lot cleaner. I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. I mean, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. People act like Apple is ripping your Thinkpad with Arch Linux from your hands and forcing you to use Apple hardware. I have a laptop running Ubuntu. Fact is I trust my iPhone for online banking more.
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Ombudsman 6y ago
I assume the Air Pods spatial audio update is setting up the release of AR/VR goggles or to support iPad AR.
bdz 6y ago
This HomeKit presentation is such a Silicon Valley dream. It's almost like a 1%-er thing. Just feels unreal, average people are not like that. Interesting to see who really is the target.
- runeb 6y ago
  Developers are the target
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- nouveaux 6y ago
  I think more people want an automated home than you think. Not sure if you grew up with the Jetsons but I grew up looking forward to the day where technology automation can make life easier.
- m3kw9 6y ago
  HomeKit devices can cost < 50$
- thoraway1010 6y ago
  If you have an older house homekit can add a lot without a re-wire. Ie, you have a lamp but no switch wired for that socket etc. You want to do a ceiling light in your kids bedroom but since it's temp are using an extension cord for the hanging light and want it switchable.
- bb101 6y ago
  Having a HomeKit home is easier than you think. An IKEA or Hue gateway connected to your router, a few lamp bulbs, and an iPad or Apple TV to control it all. That, at the least, will give you "Hey Siri turn on the lights".
raverbashing 6y ago
So that means Apple is actually making apps enforce GDPR? Interesting
jbverschoor 6y ago
Bye bye poweruser interface...
toyg 6y ago
NOOOO macos is going even flatter. <puke>
- rvz 6y ago
  2006 wants their designs back.
- solean 6y ago
  Is it? Some icons (like Notes) are more skeuomorphic. They look bad though.
  - toyg 6y ago
    They've kept skeu in some launch icons, but the actual toolbar buttons are flatter. That Mail screen had no button borders and the icons were all flatter than flat.
perceptronas 6y ago
It seems macOS icons are becoming less flat UI'y. I hope this means flat UI era is coming to an end.
- toyg 6y ago
  as far as toolbar icons, it looked like the opposite to me. They are getting some shadows back into launch icons, but everything else is going flatter.
- kccqzy 6y ago
  But the app icons are all like iOS now: rounded corners instead of each icon having a distinct shape. The new Finder icon seems especially bad.
  - ptx 6y ago
    They talked about reducing "visual complexity" at some point in the video. Of course, if you make everything the same shape and the same color, it's visually much simpler. It's just more difficult to use ("design is how it works", anyone?) because you can't tell anything apart.
  - andyfleming 6y ago
    They are probably trying to normalize them a bit so when you install iOS apps on your desktop they blend in.
justicezyx 6y ago
I think I am going to signup to Apple TV+ for the foundation series. Now I can see why all streaming providers are hemorrhaging on big-budget original shows: they probably did research and find that those are the most effective attractor to potential user users on the platform.
- tzs 6y ago
  I can certainly see how original shows on a streaming service might get someone to subscribe--but will it keep them once they finish watching that show? They all tend to drop a whole season of a show at once, and encourage binge watching. I think I can do fine on a schedule of one month of Netflix a year, one month of Disney+ a year, one month of Apple TV+ a year, and the occasional month of HBO. Between those months I've got plenty of video services that came bundled with other stuff--Prime Video from Amazon, and the Hulu subscription that came with Spotify Premium. Also various OTA networks have free streaming apps such as PBS and the CW.
  - theshrike79 6y ago
    ATV+ shows didn't all drop at once, they had a few episodes right away and then it was a weekly schedule. But if FOMO or spoilers aren't issues for you, cycling services is a perfectly valid tactic.
  - MDWolinski 6y ago
    This is why people say that streaming services are the end of TV as we know it. Netflix will produce a new series and keep it for a couple of seasons until it's no longer a draw on new sign-ups, then drop it for whatever is the latest. I don't think we'll see long running series any longer like MAS*H, Seinfeld or Cheers, as examples. Also series are going to be more like the UK with 6-8 episodes.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  If you purchase an Apple device (iPhone, Mac, etc) you get a year of Apple TV+ included, I think. I'm not saying to buy a device just for the service, but if you were already planning to get a device sometime in the next year then keep that in mind.
gberger 6y ago
I don't think they are pronouncing "Sur" correctly...
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jbverschoor 6y ago
It seems Tim took some speech lessons
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  He has a different, or at least more pronounced accent
tibbydudeza 6y ago
Confirmed ... they are going ARM !!!!
disposekinetics 6y ago
App clips looks like yet another popup nightmare on websites. After the cookies notice and the notifications request I can be asked to switch to app clips.
Cu3PO42 6y ago
It has just been confirmed. Macs are moving to Apple's ARM chips. Edit 1: They are pushing the performance/Watt angle, as well as all their SoC features already known on other devices. They also say they will bring a "family of SoCs" to Mac. Edit 2: All Apple apps will ship with native code at launch, including Final Cut and Logic Pro. MS and Adobe apps will also get native versions. There are going to be new "Universal (2)" binaries shipping with both x64 and ARM code. Edit 3: Office, Lightroom, and Photoshop were shown working as expected. Edit 4: It sounded like they just said "A12Z" in a Mac. I'm not entirely sure I got that right. Edit 5: Rosetta 2 is announced. It's a translation layer from x64 to ARM. Apparently it does AOT translation, as well as JITting. Edit 6: Working virtualization confirmed, in particular Docker. Edit 7: They are showing Maya running in Rosetta. It seems smooth. Some Tomb Raider game is also running fine translated. Edit 8: iOS apps are coming to Mac. Edit 9: A "Developer Transition Kit" is coming, which will ship new hardware (Mac mini with an A12Z) this week. You have to apply. Edit 10: They expect the transition to take two years. They also said there's still new Intel-based Macs in the pipeline. Edit 11: That's all she wrote. I'm personally sad and slightly surprised that they weren't giving us any hard performance numbers. Be it raw power or battery life improvements or anything really. If they're shipping hardware now we're bound to find out very soon, though.
- nicoburns 6y ago
  Office and Photoshop up and running pre-launch sure takes the wind out of a lot of the app compatibility complaints!
  - penagwin 6y ago
    These two program ecosystems (and AAA video games with anticheat) are the biggest things that hold a lot of people like me back from using Linux exclusively.
- MR4D 6y ago
  Virtualization also running now. Great for us Linux users! And "iPad apps run on it directly!" - from Craig himself Transition kit = mac mini running A12Z processor. Shipping today! - no word on cost...
QuixoticQuibit 6y ago
Apparently every product/middle manager at Apple is a woman. Have they made a strong push on this recently?
ogre_codes 6y ago
Apple Silicon... the piece we've all been waiting for. Well that plus adding cycling support to Maps.
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emilecantin 6y ago
Move to ARM just confirmed
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illuminated 6y ago
So, they'd be building their own integrated GPU. That was one of the biggest questions last few days, how they'd gap the graphics, but they are taking control over that as well. Good luck to them! Looking forward to see some comparison charts with Intel integrated graphics...
- Xixi 6y ago
  Apple kicked Imagination Technologies out of its SoCs in 2017, and arguably was designing most of the GPUs even before. Going with AMD would have been a way more surprising route (and nvidia even more...), unless we are talking about the successor of the MacPro. But that will most certainly be the last Mac to be updated. More interesting will be the high end iMacs and MacBooks: AMD GPUs or Apple GPUs?
  - illuminated 6y ago
    Yesterday I wouldn't have said Apple, but now I'm almost certain it will be.
  - hajile 6y ago
    Apple signed a new licensing agreement with Imagination Technologies in January of this year. I suspect there was a major litigation threat somewhere behind that. https://www.imgtec.com/news/press-release/imagination-and-apple-sign-new-agreement/ https://www.imgtec.com/news/press-release/imagination-and-ap...
- 9OzUIvDwF4LvfUM 6y ago
  Samsung is partnering with AMD for the GPUs in their Exynos chips. Apple could do that or partner with Imagination again. For Mac Pros they could still stick with dedicated AMD cards. ARM does support PCIe and there are ARM servers that use AMD/Nvidia for GPGPU[2]. So Apple does have options and we'll see what they end up doing. [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-exynos-samsung-soc-smartphone-graphics https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-exynos-samsung-so... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaY3Ffor-8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaY3Ffor-8c
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bane 6y ago
ARM Macs, I guess this means the end to Hackintoshes.
- ksec 6y ago
  If iPad Pros are any indication, those chips will be extremely fast, and cost effective so the need for Hackintoshes ( I presume that is to save money ) wouldn't be needed.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    Don't be ridiculous, iPad Pro isn't even in the same ballpark as a modern workstation. Even their Maya example wasn't in the same ballpark as modern workstations that are now running full path tracing on GPU.
    - ksec 6y ago
      They wont be using the A12Z on desktop. I assume they will be developing their own high power Desktop Chip.
      - toyg 6y ago
        When you assume... I expect quite a few "living room iMacs" will get the same chips as top-range iPads.
        saagarjha 6y ago
        They're not even going to use A12Z for laptops, it doesn't support virtualization. Seems like they're just for DTKs.
        toyg 6y ago
        Pretty sure virtualization for iPad exists, it's just not in appstore - look up getutm.app.
1_player 6y ago
Is this the first time Apple has mentioned Linux and showed GNOME on screen?
- vulcan01 6y ago
  I don't know, but they should have showed KDE. /s
weiming 6y ago
Nitpick but I hope the overtly (about 10px) rounded corners of running app windows aren't there to stay. Looks heavy/dated.
- krrrh 6y ago
  Let's also hope that it doesn't presage rounded screens on MacBooks to bring screen-roundedness parity with iPhones.
csjr 6y ago
Are we witnessing history being made? Apparently the A12 SoC is running those apps effortlessly.
- toyg 6y ago
  It's a prerecorded, retouched video. I would wait for impartial reviews of the DTK.
- lostmsu 6y ago
  Only because you missed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcx4a6lcGU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcx4a6lcGU and the like
  - csjr 6y ago
    Right, to be clear I wasn’t discrediting other accomplishments but it could really become “mainstream” now. Don’t you think?
MaxLeiter 6y ago
Did Tim Cook just say there are exciting Intel based Macs in the pipeline?
- toyg 6y ago
  I expect it will be a refresh of the line for "back to school" in September, and then new ARM-based at Christmas.
  - samatman 6y ago
    My money is on a new iMac Pro.
    - Mandatum 6y ago
      This. It'll take 2 years before they get industry software on compatible hardware - this is the last industry upgrade prior to the switch. The next 2-3 years will make or break the professional MacOS market. My money's on make, and I think they're going to absolutely knock it out of the park.
m0zg 6y ago
As a result, all of Apple hardware will now ship with a TPU. Neat.
macawfish 6y ago
I used to subscribe to Mac Addict. Now, I yawn. Why? It has nothing to do with the tech. It has to do with the monopolistic business tactics.
theklr 6y ago
Still waiting on native date input support on macOS to be listed...
ptx 6y ago
At 01:15:47 - "You may have noticed we've also updated the menu bar! It's now translucent and elegantly takes on the color of your desktop picture!" Didn't they already make this mistake in Leopard? They must have gradually rolled it back since then to mostly readable, I guess, if they're now doing it again? I hope there's a working high-contrast mode for those with less than perfect vision. This translucent mess is like Mac OS X 10.0 and the pinstripes all over again.
- zapzupnz 6y ago
  Let me tell you, it's a huge mistake, it's hideous, it's non-functional, it's accessibility-hostile … it'll get reverted.
- modeless 6y ago
  I did a double take when he said this. It's already translucent and takes on the color of your desktop picture, in Catalina! Does he not know that?
stephc_int13 6y ago
Is it just I or the presentation was somewhat cringy? The voice tone and body language reminded me of the low-quality and overly loud commercials I saw running in a loop in a store while trying to ignore them.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  They're prerecorded and likely with poorer quality AV equipment and editing due to the present circumstances.
  - stephc_int13 6y ago
    Yeah, I can understand that. But in my opinion they could simply have used the same format they used in the past, with Jony Ive talking on a white background, or simply switch to an off-screen voice. No need for the awkward gallery...
- kgin 6y ago
  I’m surprised to see the negative reactions here. Everywhere else online seemed overwhelmingly positive.
  - kohtatsu 6y ago
    A lot of us are just assholes don't worry. It's for somewhat good reason, but yeah overall I thought it was good. They mentioned privacy a lot, but I think they could have reaffirmed it more with the 3rd party video doorbells and translation in Safari and such. Opening up about differential privacy and what telemetrics they do collect when you opt-in would have earned more goodwill from me. Earlier in the event they did specify that translation was on-device though.
n3k5 6y ago
After almost two decades, this is the end of OS 10. Check this out: https://youtu.be/GEZhD3J89ZE?t=5837 https://youtu.be/GEZhD3J89ZE?t=5837 This one goes to 11!
sktrdie 6y ago
App Clips seem yet another lock-in solution. They want devs to go through the app store so they get full control and revenue access. Instead of downloading a 10mb App Clip you just go to a url that uses some standards to login/access-payments. Done. What more do App Clips do that couldn't be done in a much more interoperable and standardized way?
- r29vzg2 6y ago
  You have a point but it’s pretty clear that most companies don’t care about PWAs and the ones that have PWAs they treat as a funnel to their App Store application. It’s pretty clear that the industry doesn’t want PWAs, it wants easier ways to get users to install their native application. This is a pretty decent solution.
thiscatis 6y ago
From everything I've seen I'm actually most excited about the tvOS updates. They're really turning your TV in your central control system of your house but also make it the central point for entertainment, in-house exercise and gaming.
PeterStuer 6y ago
I hope for Apple users this wil not be the disaster that the switch from Motorola to the PowerPC was. Back then, this is what turned me away from the Mac platform I used to love.

Apple WWDC Keynote

218 points by ProZsolt 6y ago

gjsman-1000 6y ago

The price is out for the developer transition kit: $500. Very reasonable.

saagarjha 6y ago
(Note: to rent.)

chvid 6y ago

I thought this was a developers conference ... it is all sales and product presentation?

macintux 6y ago
They always use the keynote to talk about user-facing enhancements.

ProZsolt 6y ago

I really like that they started streaming it on youtube so I can play it on my chromecast

ehsankia 6y ago
No more installing Chrome extensions to deal with HLS or having to use Edge either.
- techslave 6y ago
  “having to”? Edge is nice, actually.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    It would be even nicer if MS didn’t try to force it down your throat.
- isiahl 6y ago
  Pretty sure Edge doesn't support HLS anymore after their switch to Blink
  - ehsankia 6y ago
    Well technically old Edge is still around, and obviously this was referring to previous years. It's true that in the future the Edge route won't work, but thankfully now they're streaming to youtube so that's a moot point.
elFarto 6y ago
They also issued take downs to other people streaming/commentating over it almost immediately.

minimaxir 6y ago

If you're watching on a Mac/iOS device, it's also available in the TV app.

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Zaheer 6y ago

This feels like its been prerecorded (understandably). Though it just doesn't have the same feel as previous keynotes.

duncanawoods 6y ago
Feels like a cross between an infomercial and educational video for kindergarteners.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  Yeah, the "acting" here is terrible. I don't know why they couldn't have acted like it was live instead of a cheesy infomercial.
- MikusR 6y ago
  You expected something else from an Apple keynote?
jedieaston 6y ago
It definitely is, one of Craig's notes was "Remote Keynote watch party with team"
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  This is tradition. Pretty much all of the events shown in the background during WWDC keynotes are silly things. One of Craig's reminders today was "Competitive Meditation". It's just a silly thing to amuse people who are paying attention.
makecheck 6y ago
Also, I wish they wouldn’t do the “trendy” side-of-head camera swaps. There is nothing useful about looking at someone’s ear while they appear to be talking to someone else and not to you.

toyg 6y ago

With widgets, Apple finally enters the decade we've just left behind. Edit: also, mentions could go spectacularly wrong... "John is a real idiot!" -- oops.

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jaywalk 6y ago
How would that be going "spectacularly wrong" with mentions? It would have been said in a group chat John is in, so it's not like he'd be seeing a message he shouldn't have.
- toyg 6y ago
  From what I understood in the keynote, and I might be wrong, it will be used by Siri to actually send the message.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    I think Apple realizes that instantly forwarding all messages to mentioned individuals would be pretty stupid.
DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
Yes, but hopefully iOS widgets will not introduce the same issues Android widgets had. Also, I don't see how mentions will "go wrong". When you type a name, I believe you can convert it into a mention but it's not necessary. Additionally, mentions are conversation-specific, so you're only tagging people who are in the current conversation. Same thing you see in Facebook Messenger, I think.
- omnibrain 6y ago
  What's wrong with widgets? I first used Android, then switched to iPhone, later I used both (personal and business phone) and all the time I missed Widgets on iOS. When I still commuted by bike I used a weather radar widget to check if I better hurry or wait to not get (too) wet. And I used a widget to control my Sonos.

modeless 6y ago

New iOS features so far look like Android parity catchup. Finally, a way to remove apps from the home screen without uninstalling them, and an "all apps" view so you can still find them. And real home screen widgets. And picture in picture video. New Siri overlay design seems similar in function to the new Google Assistant overlay design. On device voice recognition for keyboard dictation, like GBoard on Pixel. Maps guides, bike directions, like Google Maps. App Clips, like Play Instant Apps. Incoming calls as notifications, like the Google Phone app.

duxup 6y ago
I always thought widgets were a huge deal and then I realized... and I played with them all the time but inevitably ... I used them less and less and less. My phone as a sort of dashboard just doesn't work, I suspect it would require too much customization to really create to work for me and probably anyone else. Usually I want to just open a specific app anyway.
- jdofaz 6y ago
  I find it really helpful having the calendar widget on my first homescreen
  - GloriousKoji 6y ago
    I need a calendar and todo list in my face. Notifications were okay but there's so many of them now it's mostly noise.
- ProZsolt 6y ago
  The only "widgets" I use are on my lock screen: time, weather, meetings. Everything else is just a distraction.
- JoshTriplett 6y ago
  Widgets can definitely be overused. But I like having a calendar, a data usage meter, music player controls, and quick access to my top couple of contacts.

sidcool 6y ago

They cannot keep giving ground breaking updates to the OS every year. It's OK.

kick 6y ago

What is it with every messaging platform/app becoming reddit-style lately? First twitter did it, then a bunch of sites copied that, now Apple's messaging app is shifting to it? Weird! I think it's probably a good thing, but it's still jarring to see.

kick 6y ago
As a whole, this WWDC feels like Bikeshedding, Billions of Dollars of Technical Investment Edition.
- kick 6y ago
  "Allow Apple to control who can unlock your car" seems to very quickly lead to "Congratulations, law enforcement will literally never knock, ask or notify when breaking into your car going into the future." I could just be cynical though.
  - kick 6y ago
    iPad improvements are interesting; I can't think of any other product that started with so much potential but was completely fumbled in the same way.
    - kick 6y ago
      iPad Siri literally copies those web chatbots you see everywhere now, design-wise; bottom right corner, larger-than-necessary circle.
      - kick 6y ago
        'Universal Search' seems to be a clone of Spotlight, now on iPad. Interesting.
        kick 6y ago
        'Draw into any text field and OCR it' is another instance of bikeshedding but I can't help but feel impressed by it.

scop 6y ago

The overproduction on this presentation is jarring. Given that so much of Apple's success is based on "simple" and "familiar" things, having Craig Federighi hover of an ominous greenscreen'd floating keynote outside of Steve Jobs theater just feels off. Surely the best way to make virtual events feel familiar is to have actual humans interacting, touching, etc? Instead here you have isolated individuals floating in computer generated environments. Why aren't we just watching memoji's talk to us if that's the case?

m_mueller 6y ago
Totally dry and corporate. Long gone are the Steve Jobs presentation days unfortunately.
bluedino 6y ago
It feels like a weird training video from some large company. "Here at McDonald's you'll help our customers get their favorite foods!"
chrisseaton 6y ago
What does it mean to 'overproduce' something? Are you saying it's too polished and well done?
- ProZsolt 6y ago
  Too many visual effects and the whole thing feels sterile.
- franciscop 6y ago
  It means it seems too artificial and unnatural, so it feels like an ad.
  - Aqua_Geek 6y ago
    I mean, this IS an ad.
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greenhatglack 6y ago

I can’t help to believe that all the hard work was done by men and all the presentation was done by women.

greenhatglack 6y ago
As an update; only Apple Watch and iPad had male presenters. The rest were women, out of all the presentations 80% were done by women. I wonder this related to the garbage quality in their software. As if they’ve left meritocracy for popularity instead? Also, not a single Indian? I mean the CEO of both Google and Microsoft are Indians but Apple doesn’t have a single Indian in a leadership position? Not sexy enough for some voices? Some people will find that worth thinking about, others will silence any discourse about it.
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rideontime 6y ago
You probably can.

vadansky 6y ago

Excited about the Applets. Sounds like what QR codes promised to be, but ended up being too cumbersome

toyg 6y ago
it's a bit annoying that they used their own proprietary format, which they will probably never open to others.
- BluSyn 6y ago
  They demoed QR codes working as well
DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
Not sure if you're just making a joke, but I believe the feature you're referring to is called "App Clips" for anybody else who sees this and is curious. (Applets are a Java thing from yesteryear.)
- dhosek 6y ago
  And 90% of applets were an animated banner of the website name with its reflection in a rippling pool of water.

Tomte 6y ago

App Clips: yet another code. QR would have been nice.

ralmidani 6y ago

App Clips seem like they would be very convenient and useful if you're visiting a medium-large city and doing things you didn't know there was an app for.

BjoernKW 6y ago

Did Apple actually just invent webpages with App Clips? https://xkcd.com/1367/ https://xkcd.com/1367/

kick 6y ago
Forced requirement of <10mb, so it's actually more like gopher than it is modern web pages, but given the max is still 10mb, it's...not exactly wonderful.
Jyaif 6y ago
The problem with webpages is that they don't make money out of them.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Nor do they make money from the free apps that they demo'd....
vadansky 6y ago
"Oh this resturant looks cool, let's check the menu before going in" "Find it on Maps... No website link" "K, open a browser... new tab... let's search by name" "No.. Not the one in Oralando" "No.. Not the band" "Ah, this looks correct" "Oh god, it's using flash" Versus "Tap" "Pay with Apply Pay"
- efdee 6y ago
  versus Scan QR code* * on any device.
  - vadansky 6y ago
    I've never had a good experience with QR codes Stand directltly in front and align your phone just so. Opens browser, downloads a huge JavaScript framework with ads up the wazoo, final page doesn't render good on the phone, have to scroll around to see everything, tiny text have to zoom into to read correctly. I have nothing against QR codes, but no one uses them well. Obviously would have been nice though. I was excited about QR codes too.

CJefferson 6y ago

There is nothing about AppClips which look like they wouldn't be possible with QR codes. Making these without providing Android support just feels mean, but I assume they are planning on making the Apple specific from the talk.

DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
> Making these without providing Android support just feels mean You want Android to be able to run mini versions of iOS App Store apps? That seems completely unreasonable. If that's not what you mean, then I don't understand what you think they could do here to "provide Android support".
- CJefferson 6y ago
  QR codes just map to a URL/string. They could make these an open platform, and let developers define what they map to on other OSes. Instead they have gone full lockin. I dont expect them to be that successful, past experience tells us things with one OS lockin rarely succeed.
  - samatman 6y ago
    Explains why I never use Apple Pay...

jupp0r 6y ago

I always am amazed how Apple mentions individual emojis that they added in the same section as major OS features.

jmull 6y ago
They do it because that's how much people care.
xenadu02 6y ago
I suggest everyone attempt to understand what their customers value. Rather than judging them try to make them happy and/or solve their problems (depending on the context).
- aspaceman 6y ago
  It’s just that this is WWDC. Why is this conference about “what customers value”? Why can’t this one be the one where they go trough the serious features and talk to those folks. It seems to me they just ignore devs nowadays and focus on pushing the product to consumers.
  - ZekeSulastin 6y ago
    I thought the vast majority of the WWDC schedule was devoted to more specialized talks? IIRC this year they are posting prerecorded sessions online with access to engineers in the forums and additionally doing 1-on-1 labs. ((Edit - linked last year's schedule by mistake woops))
  - kccqzy 6y ago
    You're looking for the state of the union talk of the WWDC. The WWDC keynote isn't really for developers; it's for the general public.
- derefr 6y ago
  I would normally agree, but the "customers" for WWDC are developers who want to get business value out of producing apps for the Apple ecosystem, no? It's not an "industry" presentation, an E3 or CES-like event, where the goal is to feed PR to reporters to trickle down to consumers; the final audience for the presentation are the very people watching it, and that audience doesn't necessarily even use Apple devices as their primary devices—they just sell into the Apple software market, potentially as one market among the many they target. Any talk at a WWDC keynote about e.g. new hardware, isn't because new Apple hardware is fundamentally exciting to these people; it's for the sake of reassuring them that Apple is keeping the market for their software thriving by giving the demand side of their market [hardware] reasons to buy into the ecosystem, or stay in the ecosystem. (It's also for the sake of talking about new software features enabled by hardware changes, e.g. the touchbar translating to an additional interaction paradigm for apps, or ML cores translating to ARKit.) I don't really see how talking about emoji achieves the same goal of reassuring developers, given that consumers don't really make buying decisions based on the availability of emoji within one ecosystem but not another. (In fact, in my observation, the reverse is true; people usually avoid using new emoji until the people they text with can see them, meaning that a new emoji only becomes useful when both iOS and Android support it.)

pcwalton 6y ago

Very nice to see that you can change your default browser now on iOS.

modeless 6y ago
Agreed, now if only they would stop blocking competition in browser engines...
damnyou 6y ago
You get to choose between this Safari skin and this other Safari skin. What a giant leap.

ffritz 6y ago

Are App Clips Apples “answer” to PWAs? Semi-installed Apps with more privileges than a website, requiring the usual iOS dev workflow with a paid plan of course (seems like App Clips are part of a regular App, so you have to write a regular app anyway). Oh and it supports Apple Pay and Login. I’m convinced that this is another sign that PWAs are never going to be really capable on iOS.

jamil7 6y ago
It's an answer to one of PWA's advantages, the install friction. It's also a feature thats existed on Android for a while, although I don't see much uptake.
- jayd16 6y ago
  Hopefully now that there's feature parity we'll see some increased support across all platforms.
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coffeeri 6y ago
I'd say it's the answer to Google play Instant. https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant
- charwalker 6y ago
  This is used so rarely, in my experience, that it's jarring on first use but overall a good experience. Usually I find the web interface fine or good enough for how often I use it and move on. Once I liked the Instant version so well I got the actual app. For things I do regularly and can be 100% via web, it is nice to see a better implementation via an app and install it.
- sgt 6y ago
  I wouldn't say it's the answer - it's a different take, and I suspect it will be executed really well. The UI looks intuitive. App Clips will potentially be revolutionary in terms of app adoption. It's hard enough to get people to install your apps. Now if you have a real life item pushing you in that direction, offering you a light weight app to start off with, it's SO much easier. I'm super excited about App Clips.

qwobit 6y ago

Does anyone else feel like Apple is pushing China a lot more this year? I know they’re such a big and important country for corporate success, but it honestly feels like they’re pandering to Chinese consumers.

macintux 6y ago
“Pandering” by supporting their needs? Yes, I suppose if that’s your definition of pandering, they’ve been prioritizing China for a few years now.
- qwobit 6y ago
  No, that’s not what I meant. The little comment about ‘I’m learning Chinese’ was pretty deliberate during the scribble demo.
  - jmull 6y ago
    That was just to point out the text-recognition engine can handle both English and Chinese in the same text field at the same time. Showing features your customers would like isn't really the same thing as pandering.
  - DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
    Written Chinese is an incredibly difficult language for handwriting recognition because there are literally hundreds of thousands of symbols, and they are not all amalgamations of smaller symbols as you might be tempted to think. Showing support for Chinese is impressive. Additionally, the speaker may have actually been learning how to write Chinese (it's not exactly unheard of), so it could have been a case of "We need to showcase this technology that support handwriting in multiple languages. Since I'm learning Chinese, maybe I'll use that!" Not everything is a nefarious corporate-state conspiracy.
throwaway29102 6y ago
How does pandering differ from finding product-market fit?

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sneak 6y ago

It astounds me that Apple is still pushing privacy as a big differentiator when most of the iCloud data (such as all of your photos and notes) is not end to end encrypted, and the iCloud Backup provides every single piece of information on your phone to Apple effectively unencrypted, including all of your previously-end-to-end-encrypted iMessages (in the chat history). Until this is fixed, Apple's privacy messaging is just lip service. Do they think people just won't notice or care? https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/ https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

samoa42 6y ago
> and the iCloud Backup provides every single piece of information on your phone to Apple effectively unencrypted also true for google-backup.
- modeless 6y ago
  You are wrong. Google backup is end-to-end encrypted. https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encrypted-backups-google-hasnt https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encryp...

lowmemcpu 6y ago

The additional iOS privacy protections (camera & mic use, and Safari tracking sounds great). The developer self-reporting of data use is great, but can we trust self-reporting? What's to dis-incentivize the developers from lying?

elevenoh 6y ago
How would one verify these privacy protections are as they say?
- graeme 6y ago
  They can review the code in app review Edit: seems I’m wrong
  - richardwhiuk 6y ago
    They don't - they only get the binary. They could be decompiling it, but I doubt it. They can see what functions it calls.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      They do sometimes, if rarely.
- K0nserv 6y ago
  Monitor outgoing network traffic via mitmproxy/Charles Proxy. It's currently very transparent where and what kind of data leaves a given app, if you look for it.
MrQuimico 6y ago
They can remove the app from the App Store at will. We need to wait to know the details, but it's very likely this will be one of the reasons the will use.
vadansky 6y ago
This is why I don't get why people want the AppStore to be like Play Store In the AppStore if you are a bad actor you get kicked out and need to consider if you want to pay to get another developer license to keep publishing garbage Compared to Play Store, the AppStore feels a lot cleaner. I don't need a hundred crappy low effort apps hoping I install them so they can steal my data. I mean, no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. People act like Apple is ripping your Thinkpad with Arch Linux from your hands and forcing you to use Apple hardware. I have a laptop running Ubuntu. Fact is I trust my iPhone for online banking more.

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Ombudsman 6y ago

I assume the Air Pods spatial audio update is setting up the release of AR/VR goggles or to support iPad AR.

bdz 6y ago

This HomeKit presentation is such a Silicon Valley dream. It's almost like a 1%-er thing. Just feels unreal, average people are not like that. Interesting to see who really is the target.

runeb 6y ago
Developers are the target
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nouveaux 6y ago
I think more people want an automated home than you think. Not sure if you grew up with the Jetsons but I grew up looking forward to the day where technology automation can make life easier.
m3kw9 6y ago
HomeKit devices can cost < 50$
thoraway1010 6y ago
If you have an older house homekit can add a lot without a re-wire. Ie, you have a lamp but no switch wired for that socket etc. You want to do a ceiling light in your kids bedroom but since it's temp are using an extension cord for the hanging light and want it switchable.
bb101 6y ago
Having a HomeKit home is easier than you think. An IKEA or Hue gateway connected to your router, a few lamp bulbs, and an iPad or Apple TV to control it all. That, at the least, will give you "Hey Siri turn on the lights".

raverbashing 6y ago

So that means Apple is actually making apps enforce GDPR? Interesting

jbverschoor 6y ago

Bye bye poweruser interface...

toyg 6y ago

NOOOO macos is going even flatter. <puke>

rvz 6y ago
2006 wants their designs back.
solean 6y ago
Is it? Some icons (like Notes) are more skeuomorphic. They look bad though.
- toyg 6y ago
  They've kept skeu in some launch icons, but the actual toolbar buttons are flatter. That Mail screen had no button borders and the icons were all flatter than flat.

perceptronas 6y ago

It seems macOS icons are becoming less flat UI'y. I hope this means flat UI era is coming to an end.

toyg 6y ago
as far as toolbar icons, it looked like the opposite to me. They are getting some shadows back into launch icons, but everything else is going flatter.
kccqzy 6y ago
But the app icons are all like iOS now: rounded corners instead of each icon having a distinct shape. The new Finder icon seems especially bad.
- ptx 6y ago
  They talked about reducing "visual complexity" at some point in the video. Of course, if you make everything the same shape and the same color, it's visually much simpler. It's just more difficult to use ("design is how it works", anyone?) because you can't tell anything apart.
- andyfleming 6y ago
  They are probably trying to normalize them a bit so when you install iOS apps on your desktop they blend in.

justicezyx 6y ago

I think I am going to signup to Apple TV+ for the foundation series. Now I can see why all streaming providers are hemorrhaging on big-budget original shows: they probably did research and find that those are the most effective attractor to potential user users on the platform.

tzs 6y ago
I can certainly see how original shows on a streaming service might get someone to subscribe--but will it keep them once they finish watching that show? They all tend to drop a whole season of a show at once, and encourage binge watching. I think I can do fine on a schedule of one month of Netflix a year, one month of Disney+ a year, one month of Apple TV+ a year, and the occasional month of HBO. Between those months I've got plenty of video services that came bundled with other stuff--Prime Video from Amazon, and the Hulu subscription that came with Spotify Premium. Also various OTA networks have free streaming apps such as PBS and the CW.
- theshrike79 6y ago
  ATV+ shows didn't all drop at once, they had a few episodes right away and then it was a weekly schedule. But if FOMO or spoilers aren't issues for you, cycling services is a perfectly valid tactic.
- MDWolinski 6y ago
  This is why people say that streaming services are the end of TV as we know it. Netflix will produce a new series and keep it for a couple of seasons until it's no longer a draw on new sign-ups, then drop it for whatever is the latest. I don't think we'll see long running series any longer like MAS*H, Seinfeld or Cheers, as examples. Also series are going to be more like the UK with 6-8 episodes.
DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
If you purchase an Apple device (iPhone, Mac, etc) you get a year of Apple TV+ included, I think. I'm not saying to buy a device just for the service, but if you were already planning to get a device sometime in the next year then keep that in mind.

gberger 6y ago

I don't think they are pronouncing "Sur" correctly...

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jbverschoor 6y ago

It seems Tim took some speech lessons

jbverschoor 6y ago
He has a different, or at least more pronounced accent

tibbydudeza 6y ago

Confirmed ... they are going ARM !!!!

disposekinetics 6y ago

App clips looks like yet another popup nightmare on websites. After the cookies notice and the notifications request I can be asked to switch to app clips.

Cu3PO42 6y ago

It has just been confirmed. Macs are moving to Apple's ARM chips. Edit 1: They are pushing the performance/Watt angle, as well as all their SoC features already known on other devices. They also say they will bring a "family of SoCs" to Mac. Edit 2: All Apple apps will ship with native code at launch, including Final Cut and Logic Pro. MS and Adobe apps will also get native versions. There are going to be new "Universal (2)" binaries shipping with both x64 and ARM code. Edit 3: Office, Lightroom, and Photoshop were shown working as expected. Edit 4: It sounded like they just said "A12Z" in a Mac. I'm not entirely sure I got that right. Edit 5: Rosetta 2 is announced. It's a translation layer from x64 to ARM. Apparently it does AOT translation, as well as JITting. Edit 6: Working virtualization confirmed, in particular Docker. Edit 7: They are showing Maya running in Rosetta. It seems smooth. Some Tomb Raider game is also running fine translated. Edit 8: iOS apps are coming to Mac. Edit 9: A "Developer Transition Kit" is coming, which will ship new hardware (Mac mini with an A12Z) this week. You have to apply. Edit 10: They expect the transition to take two years. They also said there's still new Intel-based Macs in the pipeline. Edit 11: That's all she wrote. I'm personally sad and slightly surprised that they weren't giving us any hard performance numbers. Be it raw power or battery life improvements or anything really. If they're shipping hardware now we're bound to find out very soon, though.

nicoburns 6y ago
Office and Photoshop up and running pre-launch sure takes the wind out of a lot of the app compatibility complaints!
- penagwin 6y ago
  These two program ecosystems (and AAA video games with anticheat) are the biggest things that hold a lot of people like me back from using Linux exclusively.
MR4D 6y ago
Virtualization also running now. Great for us Linux users! And "iPad apps run on it directly!" - from Craig himself Transition kit = mac mini running A12Z processor. Shipping today! - no word on cost...

QuixoticQuibit 6y ago

Apparently every product/middle manager at Apple is a woman. Have they made a strong push on this recently?

ogre_codes 6y ago

Apple Silicon... the piece we've all been waiting for. Well that plus adding cycling support to Maps.

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emilecantin 6y ago

Move to ARM just confirmed

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illuminated 6y ago

So, they'd be building their own integrated GPU. That was one of the biggest questions last few days, how they'd gap the graphics, but they are taking control over that as well. Good luck to them! Looking forward to see some comparison charts with Intel integrated graphics...

Xixi 6y ago
Apple kicked Imagination Technologies out of its SoCs in 2017, and arguably was designing most of the GPUs even before. Going with AMD would have been a way more surprising route (and nvidia even more...), unless we are talking about the successor of the MacPro. But that will most certainly be the last Mac to be updated. More interesting will be the high end iMacs and MacBooks: AMD GPUs or Apple GPUs?
- illuminated 6y ago
  Yesterday I wouldn't have said Apple, but now I'm almost certain it will be.
- hajile 6y ago
  Apple signed a new licensing agreement with Imagination Technologies in January of this year. I suspect there was a major litigation threat somewhere behind that. https://www.imgtec.com/news/press-release/imagination-and-apple-sign-new-agreement/ https://www.imgtec.com/news/press-release/imagination-and-ap...
9OzUIvDwF4LvfUM 6y ago
Samsung is partnering with AMD for the GPUs in their Exynos chips. Apple could do that or partner with Imagination again. For Mac Pros they could still stick with dedicated AMD cards. ARM does support PCIe and there are ARM servers that use AMD/Nvidia for GPGPU[2]. So Apple does have options and we'll see what they end up doing. [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-exynos-samsung-soc-smartphone-graphics https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rdna-exynos-samsung-so... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaY3Ffor-8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaY3Ffor-8c

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bane 6y ago

ARM Macs, I guess this means the end to Hackintoshes.

ksec 6y ago
If iPad Pros are any indication, those chips will be extremely fast, and cost effective so the need for Hackintoshes ( I presume that is to save money ) wouldn't be needed.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  Don't be ridiculous, iPad Pro isn't even in the same ballpark as a modern workstation. Even their Maya example wasn't in the same ballpark as modern workstations that are now running full path tracing on GPU.
  - ksec 6y ago
    They wont be using the A12Z on desktop. I assume they will be developing their own high power Desktop Chip.
    - toyg 6y ago
      When you assume... I expect quite a few "living room iMacs" will get the same chips as top-range iPads.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        They're not even going to use A12Z for laptops, it doesn't support virtualization. Seems like they're just for DTKs.
        toyg 6y ago
        Pretty sure virtualization for iPad exists, it's just not in appstore - look up getutm.app.

1_player 6y ago

Is this the first time Apple has mentioned Linux and showed GNOME on screen?

vulcan01 6y ago
I don't know, but they should have showed KDE. /s

weiming 6y ago

Nitpick but I hope the overtly (about 10px) rounded corners of running app windows aren't there to stay. Looks heavy/dated.

krrrh 6y ago
Let's also hope that it doesn't presage rounded screens on MacBooks to bring screen-roundedness parity with iPhones.

csjr 6y ago

Are we witnessing history being made? Apparently the A12 SoC is running those apps effortlessly.

toyg 6y ago
It's a prerecorded, retouched video. I would wait for impartial reviews of the DTK.
lostmsu 6y ago
Only because you missed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcx4a6lcGU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHcx4a6lcGU and the like
- csjr 6y ago
  Right, to be clear I wasn’t discrediting other accomplishments but it could really become “mainstream” now. Don’t you think?

MaxLeiter 6y ago

Did Tim Cook just say there are exciting Intel based Macs in the pipeline?

toyg 6y ago
I expect it will be a refresh of the line for "back to school" in September, and then new ARM-based at Christmas.
- samatman 6y ago
  My money is on a new iMac Pro.
  - Mandatum 6y ago
    This. It'll take 2 years before they get industry software on compatible hardware - this is the last industry upgrade prior to the switch. The next 2-3 years will make or break the professional MacOS market. My money's on make, and I think they're going to absolutely knock it out of the park.

m0zg 6y ago

As a result, all of Apple hardware will now ship with a TPU. Neat.

macawfish 6y ago

I used to subscribe to Mac Addict. Now, I yawn. Why? It has nothing to do with the tech. It has to do with the monopolistic business tactics.

theklr 6y ago

Still waiting on native date input support on macOS to be listed...

ptx 6y ago

At 01:15:47 - "You may have noticed we've also updated the menu bar! It's now translucent and elegantly takes on the color of your desktop picture!" Didn't they already make this mistake in Leopard? They must have gradually rolled it back since then to mostly readable, I guess, if they're now doing it again? I hope there's a working high-contrast mode for those with less than perfect vision. This translucent mess is like Mac OS X 10.0 and the pinstripes all over again.

zapzupnz 6y ago
Let me tell you, it's a huge mistake, it's hideous, it's non-functional, it's accessibility-hostile … it'll get reverted.
modeless 6y ago
I did a double take when he said this. It's already translucent and takes on the color of your desktop picture, in Catalina! Does he not know that?

stephc_int13 6y ago

Is it just I or the presentation was somewhat cringy? The voice tone and body language reminded me of the low-quality and overly loud commercials I saw running in a loop in a store while trying to ignore them.

saagarjha 6y ago
They're prerecorded and likely with poorer quality AV equipment and editing due to the present circumstances.
- stephc_int13 6y ago
  Yeah, I can understand that. But in my opinion they could simply have used the same format they used in the past, with Jony Ive talking on a white background, or simply switch to an off-screen voice. No need for the awkward gallery...
kgin 6y ago
I’m surprised to see the negative reactions here. Everywhere else online seemed overwhelmingly positive.
- kohtatsu 6y ago
  A lot of us are just assholes don't worry. It's for somewhat good reason, but yeah overall I thought it was good. They mentioned privacy a lot, but I think they could have reaffirmed it more with the 3rd party video doorbells and translation in Safari and such. Opening up about differential privacy and what telemetrics they do collect when you opt-in would have earned more goodwill from me. Earlier in the event they did specify that translation was on-device though.

n3k5 6y ago

After almost two decades, this is the end of OS 10. Check this out: https://youtu.be/GEZhD3J89ZE?t=5837 https://youtu.be/GEZhD3J89ZE?t=5837 This one goes to 11!

sktrdie 6y ago

App Clips seem yet another lock-in solution. They want devs to go through the app store so they get full control and revenue access. Instead of downloading a 10mb App Clip you just go to a url that uses some standards to login/access-payments. Done. What more do App Clips do that couldn't be done in a much more interoperable and standardized way?

r29vzg2 6y ago
You have a point but it’s pretty clear that most companies don’t care about PWAs and the ones that have PWAs they treat as a funnel to their App Store application. It’s pretty clear that the industry doesn’t want PWAs, it wants easier ways to get users to install their native application. This is a pretty decent solution.

thiscatis 6y ago

From everything I've seen I'm actually most excited about the tvOS updates. They're really turning your TV in your central control system of your house but also make it the central point for entertainment, in-house exercise and gaming.

PeterStuer 6y ago

I hope for Apple users this wil not be the disaster that the switch from Motorola to the PowerPC was. Back then, this is what turned me away from the Mac platform I used to love.