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How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US? It serves absolutely no purpose e

by baddox 6y ago

How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US? It serves absolutely no purpose except to be cruel and to satisfy people in this country who enjoy cruelty towards immigrants.

gruez 6y ago
>How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US From a pure economics view: it does because it constrains the supply of labor. Sure, many (most?) people would probably stay and not not go back, but there's always going to be a few who do go back. That constrains the labor supply, which in theory will raise the price of labor for everyone still here, mostly natives.
- baddox 6y ago
  Sure, it “constrains the labor supply” by making people choose their livelihood over visiting their family. I think that very obviously qualifies as cruelty.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >I think that very obviously qualifies as cruelty. Whether or not it's cruel is orthogonal to whether it helps native workers. Summarily executing all visa holders is also cruel, but would probably also help native workers by constraining supply.
- harshalizee 6y ago
  That makes no sense at all. A employee visits his home country on vacation, now information to return causes problem for both the individual and the employer, especially if that person is in a critical role and now unable to do their job.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >That makes no sense at all. A employee visits his home country on vacation, now information to return Well technically it was announced in advance, so they could conceivably fly back and avoid the restrictions. >causes problem for both the individual and the employer, especially if that person is in a critical role and now unable to do their job. I imagine that's what the exemptions are for. Also, if your goal is to reduce the amount of foreign workers, I'd imagine that "shock" of someone leaving is going to be present regardless of how it's implemented.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  In the UK immigrants, I gather, produce more in tax revenues than they use. That aside from everything else they bring - friendship, culture, knowledge, labour - indicates financially we have a net benefit. So exclusion of immigrants can reverse this, lowering fulfillment and reducing financial wealth. Any ideas how those finances look in USA?

by baddox 6y ago

gruez 6y ago

>How does preventing a legal employee from visiting home and returning to the US help anyone who happened to be born in the US From a pure economics view: it does because it constrains the supply of labor. Sure, many (most?) people would probably stay and not not go back, but there's always going to be a few who do go back. That constrains the labor supply, which in theory will raise the price of labor for everyone still here, mostly natives.

baddox 6y ago
Sure, it “constrains the labor supply” by making people choose their livelihood over visiting their family. I think that very obviously qualifies as cruelty.
- gruez 6y ago
  >I think that very obviously qualifies as cruelty. Whether or not it's cruel is orthogonal to whether it helps native workers. Summarily executing all visa holders is also cruel, but would probably also help native workers by constraining supply.
harshalizee 6y ago
That makes no sense at all. A employee visits his home country on vacation, now information to return causes problem for both the individual and the employer, especially if that person is in a critical role and now unable to do their job.
- gruez 6y ago
  >That makes no sense at all. A employee visits his home country on vacation, now information to return Well technically it was announced in advance, so they could conceivably fly back and avoid the restrictions. >causes problem for both the individual and the employer, especially if that person is in a critical role and now unable to do their job. I imagine that's what the exemptions are for. Also, if your goal is to reduce the amount of foreign workers, I'd imagine that "shock" of someone leaving is going to be present regardless of how it's implemented.
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
In the UK immigrants, I gather, produce more in tax revenues than they use. That aside from everything else they bring - friendship, culture, knowledge, labour - indicates financially we have a net benefit. So exclusion of immigrants can reverse this, lowering fulfillment and reducing financial wealth. Any ideas how those finances look in USA?