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It is very strange that people in this comment section shout "nationalism, BAD" when someone says that skilled people should stay in their own country and poten
by SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
It is very strange that people in this comment section shout "nationalism, BAD" when someone says that skilled people should stay in their own country and potentially help these countries to grow out of poverty, and statements like the one you just made - essentially rob these country of talented people and bring them into US - is somehow not nationalistic and good.
- codelord 6y agoI left my country to escape a totalitarian regime. I think just because you are born in a place doesn't mean you have the responsibility to completely sacrifice your life. Humans collectively have an obligation to help lift poor countries out of poverty. The question is are you against immigration because you genuinely care about the poverty in my country?
- tdrp 6y agoFor me it wasn't totalitarian but "corrupt beyond salvation" (think bottom 50 on corruption index). A friend of mine recently went back and lasted six months before he came back to the US - he opened a startup and had to deal with bribes, threats, blackmail and "forced partnerships". I myself would never go back there.
- braindead_in 6y agoCalling the Indian Government a totalitarian regime is stretching it a bit too much. India is still a paradise of liberty compared to China and some other countries in our region. Indians want H1B because they want to earn in dollars, plain and simple. All other reasons are secondary. H1B is modern-day bonded labor. You guys are the sugar slaves of this age, like it or not.
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- weyland108 6y agoMakes you a slave master nonetheless.
- codelord 6y agoAs far as I know I'm not from India.
- triceratops 6y ago> H1B is modern-day bonded labor. That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Bonded laborers were forbidden to leave their jobs under penalty of the law (like actual prison time). H-1B holders are free to leave any time, they just experience a massive drop in income.
- lsllc 6y agoIt's not just a "massive drop in income"; if you get fired/laid off or want to leave your H1B job, you have 60 days to leave the country or find a new H1B job (which might not be so easy with quotas & applications etc).
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- tekknik 6y agoWhy do humans collectively have an obligation to lift poor countries out of poverty?
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoBecause the world without poverty is a better place.
- tekknik 6y agoYou’re just repeating sound bites. Why? explain in detail how this helps humans (especially since it goes against darwinism) and doesn’t hurt them.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoIf you are a social darwinist, I am not here to convert you.
- tekknik 6y agoThis seems like a bow out and still I have no answer, just an assumption. So once again, what benefit does humanity have for decreasing poverty instead of the country decreasing it themselves?
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoI do not owe you answers, but I can continue a conversation if you pay me.
- danaris 6y agoHumanity's competitive advantage—the reason we survive, thrive, and outcompete every other species—is that we work together. We cooperate, to balance one person's weaknesses with another person's strengths. Social Darwinism is entirely based on misunderstandings of science and history. It is a dead-end philosophy, and needs to be eradicated with knowledge, replaced by the spreading of compassion and cooperation wherever it is found.
- shuckles 6y agoBy the very nature of a highly skilled worker, they likely cannot realize the full value of those skills without a certain economic and commercial context. It is definitely not the case that for most H1-B employees the counterfactual is "growing their own countries out of poverty." Most likely, the counterfactual is being another 75th percentile wage worker in a low income country. In addition, this line of reasoning totally discounts the very real benefit of foreign transfer payments from workers in the United States to their international families, often supporting large extended families.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoCould you please express yourself in simpler English? I cannot understand what you just said - not a native speaker.
- danaris 6y agoTheir thesis is that many of the home countries of H1B visa holders do not have the social, technological, and economic infrastructure to support lots of jobs with the skills that they are able to use to their potential in the US. Thus, if they go home, they will not likely be "lifting their country out of poverty"—they will just be stuck in one of the jobs that is available there. Low-skill, low-pay jobs, without any prospect for advancing to something more like they would be able to do here. I don't know to what extent this is true, but this is my understanding of their post.
- Leherenn 6y agoA highly skilled person can only thrive in the right environment. As an extreme example, take the best programmer in the world, and send him back 500 years in the past, he's probably not going to be very productive. (The counterpoint to this, which the GP didn't talk about, is that this person is still likely to be able to retrain and be productive in that society in other ways.)
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoCan you see how someone emigrating of their own volition and bringing their skills is different to a country purposefully trying to encourage immigration of skilled workers from [poorer] countries where there is a skills shortage. The end result looks similar but motivation matters.
- zerr 6y agoWhat we forget is actually an individual - relocation is a basic human right. There should be no lottery of birth.
- gizmondo 6y agoWhy don't you go to one of those countries and help it to grow out of poverty? It's pretty easy to be generous at the expense of others.