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It's misleading to call that a false flag, as it was not an act intended to deceive the public. While the operation used methods of dubious legality and moralit
by jml7c5 6y ago
It's misleading to call that a false flag, as it was not an act intended to deceive the public. While the operation used methods of dubious legality and morality to gather information, the 2000 or so guns that were allowed to walk constituted only a small fraction of guns already being smuggled across the border.
- ta17711771 6y agoThey recovered a laughably small percentage, and that violence is used to justify a lot of money spent combatting cartels...
- 3131s 6y agoThe US government has an unofficial alliance with the Sinaloa cartel. It's always been my guess that Fast & Furious was about supplying arms to them, or at least that makes more sense than "gathering information" as an objective.
- ta17711771 6y agoBiiiingo.
- edgarvaldes 6y agoAs a mexican, this is interesting to me. Any more info/sources?
- salemh 6y agoI don't know what the parent is referring to recently, but years ago Wikileaks had a Stratfor memo during the violence of the Zetas which gave 'tacit' approval to Sinoloa. https://www.businessinsider.com/stratfor-the-us-works-with-cartels-2012-9?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/stratfor-the-us-works-with-c... https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/17/1747720_re-fwd-re-fw-from-mx1-2-.html https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/17/1747720_re-fwd-re-fw-f...
- 3131s 6y agoI'm also referring to the testimony of Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, a former high-ranking member and son of the leader of the Sinaloa cartel. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/01/14/was-operation-fast-and-furious-really-part-of-a-secret-deal-between-the-dea-and-mexicos-sinaloa-drug-cartel/#511adb8b23a1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/01/14/was-operat...
- catalogia 6y ago> it was not an act intended to deceive the public. According to the government, the government didn't intend to deceive the public. Of course if a government were willing to deceive the public, it's practically tautological that the government would be willing to deceive the public about their intent to deceive the public. In other words, liars say they aren't liars, because they're liars. A lot of people think that's exactly what they did. From a legitimate law enforcement perspective the program was a sick joke, so speculation as to whether it had other motivations the American government is unwilling to discuss seems fair.
- joe_the_user 6y agoThe GP said "false flag/intelligence operation" and the article itself is about details that suggest the Nova Scotia shooter was intelligence operative (but no false flag here). So it's reasonable to say that what we're talking about is the broad world of intelligence agencies keeping their hands in everything, so what might seem like an action of a cartel or other gang (Hell's Angels in the case of the Nova Scotia shooter) may well have received aid from actual state agencies.