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They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] > "Streamline cash management systems, improve security and loss prevent

They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] > "Streamline cash management systems, improve security and loss prevention with the ability to work with any remote safe provider." There's a lot of people saying that the involvement of these companies is suspicious, but it seems like securely withdrawing an enormous amount of cash is exactly the sort of service they provide. I'll just say it again; there is nothing actually linking to RCMP at this point. If you are going to leap that it's not his money, why not claim he's in the pay of the Saudis or organised crime or anything else? [0] https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html

sbarre 6y ago
> They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point Are you an expert in this field? I find it surprising how many armchair detectives on HN think their "they seem" theories should trump professional reporters who spoke with expert sources and had their work vetted to the point that it was published in one of our national publications.. Mind boggling in fact. Also, apologies if you are indeed an expert in this field ;-)
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  The experts were RCMP and familiar with how agents/informants are paid. It’s unlikely they’re also familiar with all the other services that Brinks/banks can provide you outside of paying agents/informants.
  - ViViDboarder 6y ago
    They also talked to two experts in commercial banking and detailed their views as well.
- JoeSmithson 6y ago
  I'm not sure I would say I am an expert, but I am a real detective, not an armchair one, and I have previously worked with RCMP. This thread [0] from a former CSIS officer and illicit finance expert has some criticisms. I notice as well that the authors aren't exactly coming out swinging in defense of their piece [1][2] > "Do you know how it would be that he would withdraw the money from a Brinks facility? We did our best to understand that but may well have missed something." This is basically the entire crux of their argument; that there's no way he would have withdrawn that amount of money from Brink's without being an RCMP agent, but they don't (IMO) substantiate that. This Reddit user flatly contradicts it [3] > "My family uses Brinks all the time to make large deposits and withdrawals for business purposes." > "The Mountie source from that article is absolutely wrong from what I've seen, you CAN collect money from Brinks as a private citizen. Fuck, I've SEEN it. That's why I'm asking. Maybe the Mountie just isn't familiar with large cash transactions for business purposes but how do you think Casinos stock up on the right type of bills? Or Liquor Stores? Or Grocery stores?" Anyway, I didn't (and can't) say it is false, just that the article had failed to convince me. [0] https://twitter.com/JessMarinDavis/status/1274321595444670466 https://twitter.com/JessMarinDavis/status/127432159544467046... [1] https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274150076760363009 https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274150076760363009 [2] https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274378948743397376 https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274378948743397376 [3] https://old.reddit.com/user/Sociojoe https://old.reddit.com/user/Sociojoe
  - dang 6y ago
    Ok, I've appended a question mark to the title, which is a standard HN moderation trick for making an objectionable title a bit more neutral. > I'm not sure I would say I am an expert, but I am a real detective, not an armchair one, and I have previously worked with RCMP. We can't have many of those on HN! Care to say more about your background? No need, of course. Just curious.
    - JoeSmithson 6y ago
      I used to be a programmer but left because I wanted, basically, to collect cool stories to tell my grandchildren. Don't regret it at all, plus having coding skills gives you superpowers in some situations (like xkcd 208 but actually). I work on child sexual offences at the moment but I previously worked mainly on drug importations and had a case involving Canadians which is how I worked with RCMP.
    - pvg 6y ago
      We can't have many of those on HN! This kind of careless talk is going to trigger the Great Front Page Detectives-Who-Love-Erlang Bloom of 2020.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
>They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] Why would he be withdrawing his savings through payment processing? >why not claim he's in the pay of the Saudis or organised crime or anything else? It doesn't explain why some of his crimes were overlooked, and any connection to either of those groups would likely have been revealed through this.

sbarre 6y ago

> They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point Are you an expert in this field? I find it surprising how many armchair detectives on HN think their "they seem" theories should trump professional reporters who spoke with expert sources and had their work vetted to the point that it was published in one of our national publications.. Mind boggling in fact. Also, apologies if you are indeed an expert in this field ;-)

Scoundreller 6y ago
The experts were RCMP and familiar with how agents/informants are paid. It’s unlikely they’re also familiar with all the other services that Brinks/banks can provide you outside of paying agents/informants.
- ViViDboarder 6y ago
  They also talked to two experts in commercial banking and detailed their views as well.
JoeSmithson 6y ago
I'm not sure I would say I am an expert, but I am a real detective, not an armchair one, and I have previously worked with RCMP. This thread [0] from a former CSIS officer and illicit finance expert has some criticisms. I notice as well that the authors aren't exactly coming out swinging in defense of their piece [1][2] > "Do you know how it would be that he would withdraw the money from a Brinks facility? We did our best to understand that but may well have missed something." This is basically the entire crux of their argument; that there's no way he would have withdrawn that amount of money from Brink's without being an RCMP agent, but they don't (IMO) substantiate that. This Reddit user flatly contradicts it [3] > "My family uses Brinks all the time to make large deposits and withdrawals for business purposes." > "The Mountie source from that article is absolutely wrong from what I've seen, you CAN collect money from Brinks as a private citizen. Fuck, I've SEEN it. That's why I'm asking. Maybe the Mountie just isn't familiar with large cash transactions for business purposes but how do you think Casinos stock up on the right type of bills? Or Liquor Stores? Or Grocery stores?" Anyway, I didn't (and can't) say it is false, just that the article had failed to convince me. [0] https://twitter.com/JessMarinDavis/status/1274321595444670466 https://twitter.com/JessMarinDavis/status/127432159544467046... [1] https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274150076760363009 https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274150076760363009 [2] https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274378948743397376 https://twitter.com/stphnmaher/status/1274378948743397376 [3] https://old.reddit.com/user/Sociojoe https://old.reddit.com/user/Sociojoe
- dang 6y ago
  Ok, I've appended a question mark to the title, which is a standard HN moderation trick for making an objectionable title a bit more neutral. > I'm not sure I would say I am an expert, but I am a real detective, not an armchair one, and I have previously worked with RCMP. We can't have many of those on HN! Care to say more about your background? No need, of course. Just curious.
  - JoeSmithson 6y ago
    I used to be a programmer but left because I wanted, basically, to collect cool stories to tell my grandchildren. Don't regret it at all, plus having coding skills gives you superpowers in some situations (like xkcd 208 but actually). I work on child sexual offences at the moment but I previously worked mainly on drug importations and had a case involving Canadians which is how I worked with RCMP.
  - pvg 6y ago
    We can't have many of those on HN! This kind of careless talk is going to trigger the Great Front Page Detectives-Who-Love-Erlang Bloom of 2020.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] Why would he be withdrawing his savings through payment processing? >why not claim he's in the pay of the Saudis or organised crime or anything else? It doesn't explain why some of his crimes were overlooked, and any connection to either of those groups would likely have been revealed through this.