5 ms·

This seems pretty thin... Isn't Brinks a private security company? Isn't it possible that someone else apart from Canadian law-enforcement decided it would be a

This seems pretty thin... Isn't Brinks a private security company? Isn't it possible that someone else apart from Canadian law-enforcement decided it would be a good way to transfer a large amount of cash?

mike_d 6y ago
Think of an armored car depot like an Amazon warehouse. You can't just pop in and pick up a bottle of hand soap, no matter how big of a customer you are. Usually, the only non-employees who are allowed to enter are law enforcement.
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  Hehe, reminds me of a story in Toronto. Before Amazon had free return shipping, someone ordered something super heavy and wanted to return it. It would have cost a ton of money to ship it back. Amazon repeatedly said he couldn’t drop it off himself. So he printed off a Tracking Sheet for a fictitious “ABC Couriers”, put it on a clipboard and drove it over.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
I think if anyone else sent him large amounts of money they would immediately be under arrest (at least brought in for questioning) and there would be a big story in the news.
- JoeSmithson 6y ago
  The most obvious explanation seems to be that no-one sent him the money - it was his own savings. From what I can tell, there is no actual evidence linking this to RCMP at the moment, except an anonymous source's opinion. I'm with OP that this is very thin. Maybe they have more that they can't publish, so are confident to go out on a limb, but based on just this article I'm unconvinced.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    Why would CIBC Intria have his savings and transfer it to Brink's? This isn't definitive proof, the article is clear on that. It will be nearly impossible to prove the claim until a court case of some sort though.
    - JoeSmithson 6y ago
      They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] > "Streamline cash management systems, improve security and loss prevention with the ability to work with any remote safe provider." There's a lot of people saying that the involvement of these companies is suspicious, but it seems like securely withdrawing an enormous amount of cash is exactly the sort of service they provide. I'll just say it again; there is nothing actually linking to RCMP at this point. If you are going to leap that it's not his money, why not claim he's in the pay of the Saudis or organised crime or anything else? [0] https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html
      - sbarre 6y ago
        > They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point Are you an expert in this field? I find it surprising how many armchair detectives on HN think their "they seem" theories should trump professional reporters who spoke with expert sources and had their work vetted to the point that it was published in one of our national publications.. Mind boggling in fact. Also, apologies if you are indeed an expert in this field ;-)
        Scoundreller 6y ago
        The experts were RCMP and familiar with how agents/informants are paid. It’s unlikely they’re also familiar with all the other services that Brinks/banks can provide you outside of paying agents/informants.
        6y ago
JoeSmithson 6y ago
If anyone stumbles across this thread in future... RCMP have again directly denied the suggestions in this story that he worked for them and said the money was his own; > "What I can confirm at this point is that it appears that the gunman liquidated personal investments from his own bank accounts and converted them to cash prior to the shootings" https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2020/06/21/pandemic-fears-may-have-led-ns-gunman-to-withdraw-hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars-prior-to-massacre-rcmp-say.html https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2020/06/21/pandemic-...

mike_d 6y ago

Think of an armored car depot like an Amazon warehouse. You can't just pop in and pick up a bottle of hand soap, no matter how big of a customer you are. Usually, the only non-employees who are allowed to enter are law enforcement.

Scoundreller 6y ago
Hehe, reminds me of a story in Toronto. Before Amazon had free return shipping, someone ordered something super heavy and wanted to return it. It would have cost a ton of money to ship it back. Amazon repeatedly said he couldn’t drop it off himself. So he printed off a Tracking Sheet for a fictitious “ABC Couriers”, put it on a clipboard and drove it over.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

I think if anyone else sent him large amounts of money they would immediately be under arrest (at least brought in for questioning) and there would be a big story in the news.

JoeSmithson 6y ago
The most obvious explanation seems to be that no-one sent him the money - it was his own savings. From what I can tell, there is no actual evidence linking this to RCMP at the moment, except an anonymous source's opinion. I'm with OP that this is very thin. Maybe they have more that they can't publish, so are confident to go out on a limb, but based on just this article I'm unconvinced.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  Why would CIBC Intria have his savings and transfer it to Brink's? This isn't definitive proof, the article is clear on that. It will be nearly impossible to prove the claim until a court case of some sort though.
  - JoeSmithson 6y ago
    They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point [0] > "Streamline cash management systems, improve security and loss prevention with the ability to work with any remote safe provider." There's a lot of people saying that the involvement of these companies is suspicious, but it seems like securely withdrawing an enormous amount of cash is exactly the sort of service they provide. I'll just say it again; there is nothing actually linking to RCMP at this point. If you are going to leap that it's not his money, why not claim he's in the pay of the Saudis or organised crime or anything else? [0] https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html https://www.cibc.com/en/cibc-websites/intria/services.html
    - sbarre 6y ago
      > They seem to just be the payment processor that works with Brink's as an end point Are you an expert in this field? I find it surprising how many armchair detectives on HN think their "they seem" theories should trump professional reporters who spoke with expert sources and had their work vetted to the point that it was published in one of our national publications.. Mind boggling in fact. Also, apologies if you are indeed an expert in this field ;-)
      - Scoundreller 6y ago
        The experts were RCMP and familiar with how agents/informants are paid. It’s unlikely they’re also familiar with all the other services that Brinks/banks can provide you outside of paying agents/informants.
        6y ago

JoeSmithson 6y ago

If anyone stumbles across this thread in future... RCMP have again directly denied the suggestions in this story that he worked for them and said the money was his own; > "What I can confirm at this point is that it appears that the gunman liquidated personal investments from his own bank accounts and converted them to cash prior to the shootings" https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2020/06/21/pandemic-fears-may-have-led-ns-gunman-to-withdraw-hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars-prior-to-massacre-rcmp-say.html https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2020/06/21/pandemic-...