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Are we supposed to be upset? It's easy to play down what's been happening these past few weeks from a suburb or small city, but we should hope that the extreme

Are we supposed to be upset? It's easy to play down what's been happening these past few weeks from a suburb or small city, but we should hope that the extreme criminal acts that have destroyed whole neighborhoods recently at least have some chance of being solved. Much as the sympathizers would like to deflect that insurance is somehow going to cover all of this (it isn't), anyone who complains about “food deserts” but cheers on riots in the hood is part of the problem whether they admit it or not.

salusinarduis 6y ago
It is illegal to use military equipment like drones on US soil.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  Depends on what you mean. If they fired missiles at civilians you'd have a point, but merely flying a drone in the U.S. is routine, civilians do it. Some cities and states have restrictions on the routine use of drones by police, but using aerial surveillance is not generally illegal in the U.S. far as I'm aware (nor do I think it should be).
- relbeek2 6y ago
  With that logic would it not also be illegal for military jets and helicopters to fly on "US soil"
1helloworld1 6y ago
Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's death until the violent protests. As Noam Chomksy once said - See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  > Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's deaths until the violent protest That is untrue. Well before the executions, arsons, and burglaries, there was essentially no ambiguity in the public perception of the case. Most people who watched the video believed they witnessed a murder, and that charge was already planned for Chauvin, well before the public was aware of riots. And of course, even if it did work, it would still be wrong, and the people executing people and shooting senior citizens to death to steal televisions should be prosecuted.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    This line is bogus. "I cared about police brutality until someone else who cares did something I don't like. Now, FOX News is telling me to care about looting!" Stop using looting as an excuse to not really give a damn about police reform.
    - microcolonel 6y ago
      I feel like you are attacking me with a straw man, a very unfair one at that. Not everyone who sees things a bit differently from you is a baby-murdering psychopath who watches (gasp!) the most popular news broadcaster in America. I never thought theft, assault, arson, or lynching was okay, and I hope most people don't need to watch TV to learn that.
      - unethical_ban 6y ago
        FOX is despicable, bad faith programming and anyone forming opinions based off watching The Five, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson are worse off for having been exposed to their lies and intentionally bad logic. But you're correct on one front: I attacked your use of FOX and gave you an opening to avoid the real accusation: That you are using the (limited number of) riots and looting as a way to get out of focusing on systemic police dysfunction and the need to radically reform policing and public safety.
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        The police departments need to be disbanded and law enforcement needs to be returned to elected county sheriffs the way the constitution intended. Make law enforcement accountable to the people and the people accountable to the law.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    Executions? Wtf are you talking about?
    - 6y ago
- downerending 6y ago
  He was indeed a convicted felon that assaulted a pregnant woman (Black, if it matters) and beat his kids. So yeah, compared to everything else going on, hard to care that much.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    Who are you talking about? Floyd? Was he being arrested at that moment for beating someone? Is beating someone a capital crime? Are the police allowed to execute prisoners? Did the police know he was a "bad guy" when they were killing him slowly? Nothing about your point makes any sense, at all. It isn't about George Floyd the man, the personality. It's about yet another human, yet another black person, being murdered by law enforcement.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Being murdered by a multi-racial group of law enforcement.
  - obiye 6y ago
    Cool, all felons should be murdered. Got it.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  I really wish Trump would've sent the FBI into Minneapolis to investigate before the violent protests started.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Who said the FBI wasn't watching?
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      It was a trick, because Trump DID send the FBI in on the 2nd day, before the violent protests started. So people in power did pay attention and did care before the violence started.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  I'm willing to entertain this possibility, but how can you be so certain that they weren't persuaded by the persistence of the nonviolent elements? baltimore's protests have been remarkably peaceful, and the city leadership has already made some (albeit minor) concessions.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    Another analysis would be they're seeing the violence in other cities and want to get out ahead of it.
- ordinarydev 6y ago
  The looters and rioters don't care about his death either - they just want to exploit the tragedy to steal and cause harm to their own communities.
newacct583 6y ago
> extreme criminal acts that have destroyed whole neighborhoods recently Where do "facts" like this come from? I mean, a police station was burned. A bunch of windows have been broken in a bunch of places. But there's literally nothing to support anything like a statement like that. Seriously: who told you "neighborhoods" had been "destroyed". Which neighborhoods? How many residents were displaced or whatever? Did you think to maybe question your sources when they arrived with no data at all? Didn't the fact that Fox (who normally are pretty good about journalistic micro-rigor, believe it or not) got caught faking image evidence about the unrest maybe cue you that you might be being misled? But you're still going with that rhetoric? Why? Where are you getting your facts?
obiye 6y ago
It’s funny, this indignant attitude shows how effective the movement is at finally reaching your kind.

salusinarduis 6y ago

It is illegal to use military equipment like drones on US soil.

microcolonel 6y ago
Depends on what you mean. If they fired missiles at civilians you'd have a point, but merely flying a drone in the U.S. is routine, civilians do it. Some cities and states have restrictions on the routine use of drones by police, but using aerial surveillance is not generally illegal in the U.S. far as I'm aware (nor do I think it should be).
relbeek2 6y ago
With that logic would it not also be illegal for military jets and helicopters to fly on "US soil"

1helloworld1 6y ago

Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's death until the violent protests. As Noam Chomksy once said - See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.

microcolonel 6y ago
> Nobody in power cared about George Floyd's deaths until the violent protest That is untrue. Well before the executions, arsons, and burglaries, there was essentially no ambiguity in the public perception of the case. Most people who watched the video believed they witnessed a murder, and that charge was already planned for Chauvin, well before the public was aware of riots. And of course, even if it did work, it would still be wrong, and the people executing people and shooting senior citizens to death to steal televisions should be prosecuted.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  This line is bogus. "I cared about police brutality until someone else who cares did something I don't like. Now, FOX News is telling me to care about looting!" Stop using looting as an excuse to not really give a damn about police reform.
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    I feel like you are attacking me with a straw man, a very unfair one at that. Not everyone who sees things a bit differently from you is a baby-murdering psychopath who watches (gasp!) the most popular news broadcaster in America. I never thought theft, assault, arson, or lynching was okay, and I hope most people don't need to watch TV to learn that.
    - unethical_ban 6y ago
      FOX is despicable, bad faith programming and anyone forming opinions based off watching The Five, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson are worse off for having been exposed to their lies and intentionally bad logic. But you're correct on one front: I attacked your use of FOX and gave you an opening to avoid the real accusation: That you are using the (limited number of) riots and looting as a way to get out of focusing on systemic police dysfunction and the need to radically reform policing and public safety.
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        The police departments need to be disbanded and law enforcement needs to be returned to elected county sheriffs the way the constitution intended. Make law enforcement accountable to the people and the people accountable to the law.
- xxpor 6y ago
  Executions? Wtf are you talking about?
  - 6y ago
downerending 6y ago
He was indeed a convicted felon that assaulted a pregnant woman (Black, if it matters) and beat his kids. So yeah, compared to everything else going on, hard to care that much.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Who are you talking about? Floyd? Was he being arrested at that moment for beating someone? Is beating someone a capital crime? Are the police allowed to execute prisoners? Did the police know he was a "bad guy" when they were killing him slowly? Nothing about your point makes any sense, at all. It isn't about George Floyd the man, the personality. It's about yet another human, yet another black person, being murdered by law enforcement.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Being murdered by a multi-racial group of law enforcement.
- obiye 6y ago
  Cool, all felons should be murdered. Got it.
Consultant32452 6y ago
I really wish Trump would've sent the FBI into Minneapolis to investigate before the violent protests started.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Who said the FBI wasn't watching?
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    It was a trick, because Trump DID send the FBI in on the 2nd day, before the violent protests started. So people in power did pay attention and did care before the violence started.
leetcrew 6y ago
I'm willing to entertain this possibility, but how can you be so certain that they weren't persuaded by the persistence of the nonviolent elements? baltimore's protests have been remarkably peaceful, and the city leadership has already made some (albeit minor) concessions.
- xxpor 6y ago
  Another analysis would be they're seeing the violence in other cities and want to get out ahead of it.
ordinarydev 6y ago
The looters and rioters don't care about his death either - they just want to exploit the tragedy to steal and cause harm to their own communities.

newacct583 6y ago

> extreme criminal acts that have destroyed whole neighborhoods recently Where do "facts" like this come from? I mean, a police station was burned. A bunch of windows have been broken in a bunch of places. But there's literally nothing to support anything like a statement like that. Seriously: who told you "neighborhoods" had been "destroyed". Which neighborhoods? How many residents were displaced or whatever? Did you think to maybe question your sources when they arrived with no data at all? Didn't the fact that Fox (who normally are pretty good about journalistic micro-rigor, believe it or not) got caught faking image evidence about the unrest maybe cue you that you might be being misled? But you're still going with that rhetoric? Why? Where are you getting your facts?

obiye 6y ago

It’s funny, this indignant attitude shows how effective the movement is at finally reaching your kind.