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I feel a bit different: Email is a standard. You are talking about an app. Send later is the job of the application,not the standard. Same with reply all. Intel
by stilisstuk 6y ago
I feel a bit different: Email is a standard. You are talking about an app. Send later is the job of the application,not the standard. Same with reply all. Intelligent priority inbox is _hard_ but i. Principle the same.
When you use gmail you conflate the standard with the app.
- lilyball 6y agoI largely agree with this, except that "Send Later" really does want some form of server support so it will happen even if you quit the app (especially on mobile). That said, there are third-party apps that do this, such as Spark (though they require storing your credentials on their servers). Priority inbox is also something that can be done client-side. FWIW FastMail does actually have internal flags for "$ismailinglist" and "$isnotification" that you can access via advanced search, but they don't have any intelligent customization of these flags, no way to tell FastMail "hey this email was categorized wrong". You can write a Sieve script that adds/removes the flags yourself but that only works for stuff you can detect in a sieve script, i.e. no ML. Still, it's better than nothing when using the web app.
- folmar 6y agoThe Google way, aka masquerading flags as special folders seems to work good for non-aware clients. IMAP actually has client-defined flags, but support on the clients is sketchy and not uniform
- benhurmarcel 6y agoWith Fastmail you're essentially buying the app as much as the service. If you want reliable email service without the nice app, there are much cheaper alternatives.
- r8deoh 6y agoSuch as?
- aladine 6y agohttps://purelymail.com/ https://purelymail.com/ I haven't try it yet, but it is only 10$ per year
- awill 6y ago$10/y seems ridiculously cheap. Too cheap. I'd be worried they may go out of business.
- awill 6y agoI'm a very happy migadu.com user. Set fee for unlimited storage and unlimited addresses. Very simple but effective admin UI too.
- fluential 6y agoMailbox.org
- rodorgas 6y agoI’m a happy user and never touch the web app. It works, but a dedicated mail client is a superior experience.
- afiori 6y agoThe point of these discussions is that the standard (IMAP specifically) is inadequate to a lot of modern use. One good thing that Fastmail is doing is promoting a REST-like IMAP alternative ( https://jmap.io/ https://jmap.io/ ) that makes it easier[1] to go back to the distinction application/protocol. [1] by this I mean that implementing an app like gmail over IMAP would be a terrible idea, while JMAP would be at least a bit better (it also adds browser support as it allows HTTP as transport layer)
- saurik 6y agoWhat, exactly, do you feel is deficient about IMAP vs. JMAP, other than the latter being a protocol that doesn't require a bespoke parser? The only thing even remotely semi-annoying about IMAP that I can think of is the way message identifiers are per-connection (but in some very important way that actually makes sense).
- sjy 6y agoI’ve never been able to search my entire mail archive quickly over IMAP, using Gmail or Fastmail. Mobile IMAP clients seem especially slow and inconsistent.
- saurik 6y agoIMAP exposes a pretty comprehensive server-side query system. If your email is being synced locally then you aren't dealing with an IMAP limitation, as it isn't even using IMAP. If it is searching remotely, wither the email isn't being indexed for those searches or the client is doing some ridiculously poor search strategy. Like, if you actually look at the mechanism IMPA exposes for this, it is pretty powerful. (The only real limitation is that the original SEARCH mechanism is per-"mailbox", but this was fixed a long time ago with the SEARCHM extension. But arguably the correct way to map Gmail to IMAP is to put all your email in one "mailbox" and use IMAP "flags" as labels anyway.)
- sjy 6y ago