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Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also

by DCKing 6y ago

Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I think Mozilla is one of the foremost existing players to pull it off. They've started talking about Firefox Premium a while ago now [2] and it's obviously not easy to build all of this in a lean way, but I'll happily pitch in. If only to help make Firefox development less dependant on Google or Yahoo. [1]: https://donate.mozilla.org/ https://donate.mozilla.org/ [2]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/10/18660344/firefox-subscription-paid-service-vpn-cloud-storage-release-date https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/10/18660344/firefox-subscrip...

petejodo 6y ago
I don't have much too add, I'm just replying in case Mozilla devs see this. I want this so much as well! I don't mind the VPN though. I pay for it now even though I run mostly Linux
- qchris 6y ago
  I'm in exactly the same boat. Paying for the VPN to use on exactly one device because everything else is Linux, and would happily put more money towards it if they offered a paid equivalent to GSuite that was privacy-respecting.
  - zrobotics 6y ago
    Question--why does everything else being Linux negate the need for a VPN? AFAIK, aren't the main reasons for a VPN bypassing georestricted content and avoiding ISP snooping? I don't see how running Linux negates any of these, and routing through a VPN certainly doesn't stop win10 from exfiltrating data.
    - rascul 6y ago
      Mozilla VPN is not yet available for Linux.
typon 6y ago
Only Mozilla can make me pay for Google services like Email/Calendar etc. I think I subconsciously trust the brand more than most internet companies out there.
- beervirus 6y ago
  Indeed. I feel about Mozilla the way I felt about Google a decade or two ago.
- shafyy 6y ago
  And the Basecamp guys with Hey :-)
- lilyball 6y ago
  How about FastMail? They have a stellar email service. They also offer contacts and calendars, though I don't personally use those (I use iCloud for that).
  - neuronic 6y ago
    Yep, migrated from Gmail and very happily so :)
    - mderazon 6y ago
      I want to migrate from Gmail but I have my Gmail address tied up to so many things. How do you make the move ?
      - 867-5309 6y ago
        a bit like a physical address - forward the mail on for x months and then cut off completely
        dsissitka 6y ago
        That's what I did and it worked well for me for the most part. I ended up keeping Gmail around for the occasional service that doesn't work well with Fastmail. Off the top of my head I've had issues with: - Frontier - Green Man Gaming - Paperspace - Rainway - SquareTrade
gnulinux 6y ago
I want this and want to pay for this. Hoping this will be a real product soon.
somurzakov 6y ago
internet scale email, calendar, password manager, OpenID auth provider, VPN, browser + integrated search via DDG = everybody's dream
- belzebalex 6y ago
  I know upvote already exists, but I deeply want to +1 on this one. If Mozilla does it, I'd be a happy customer to.
- deleted 6y ago
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- mav3rick 6y ago
  The "barely works" stack.
  - aabhay 6y ago
    But with a “just works” vapor!
91edec 6y ago
I've wanted email so bad. Using protonmail til the day Mozilla decides to go down the email route.
Vysero 6y ago
Wait... why are you encouraging them to charge for it?
- kyawzazaw 6y ago
  it ensures that they have a sustainable revenue stream and won’t cave into selling data or shutting down
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  Because running it is not free and paying for it directly is the best way to align interests - you are the customer instead of being the product for advertising and analytics.
jean- 6y ago
I'm a Fastmail and Google Suite paying customer. I would SO transition to a "Firefox Suite" email+calendar service if Mozilla provided one.
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bobajeff 6y ago
I still want Mozilla to release a Android keyboard.
- vorticalbox 6y ago
  Me to currently using swift key as it came preinstalled but its owned by Microsoft. I use net guard to stop basically everything in my phone from contacting the Internet.
- jtrip 6y ago
  I believe the 'AnySoftKeyboard' is a good opensource alternative for Android, no?
  - pmontra 6y ago
    Gesture typing (swipe) is still in beta and didn't work much the last time I checked. I'm posting this by swiping on SwiftKey. I've been using swiping keyboards since 2011 and I won't go back to tapping buttons.
onyva 6y ago
Agree. I’m currently on Proton but I’d like to see Mozilla bundle the essentials, with vpn and mail as the basics. Also, consider if possible affordability for students and senior, who might not be able to afford a subscription. Maybe limited bandwidth for free w/o subscription? Something like ProtonVPN provided.
j1elo 6y ago
I was just about to change to something different from LastPass, pretty much convinced about Bitwarden from previous HN mentions, until you mentioned Lockwise :-) care to share some pros and cons or comparison between these two?
- staplers 6y ago
  Currently using both, Bitwarden is much more robust, customizable, and safe (audited by 3rd party). Lockwise is great if you want a simple pw manager for browsing online but Bitwarden is like a "life" manager that can store addresses, credit cards, notes, passwords, etc.
  - AnonC 6y ago
    I use Bitwarden as my main password manager. But Bitwarden is still lacking in the "life" management part because common things like WiFi passwords or software licenses need to be added as custom entities. Managing those is not easy with Bitwarden. I stopped using 1Password long ago (when it moved to a subscription model), but it has had many more rich types to manage for a long time. Bitwarden has a long way to go.
- calvinmorrison 6y ago
  I can offer up 1password comments. It has a good native app for osx. I don't use osx. It offers a CLI tool that spits out json. I wish it would just integrate with pass(1). The Firefox add-on is close enough to abysmal that I use thier website making it inconvenient. It doesn't work with regular http auth so you have to copy the fields in manually then refresh. Otherwise it's fine. The multiple Vaults is great to share passwords among family or maybe your co-workers. It has features like TOTP and supports many types of other fields. 4/10 on usability 10/10 on its core feature set. Probably a 9/10 on osx.
  - bjdean 6y ago
    > It doesn't work with regular http auth so you have to copy the fields in manually then refresh. There's a slightly easier way - escape out of the basic auth dialog box, open the 1password menu which will be showing you the website you're on and select 'Autofill', and then reload the page (ie Ctrl-R) and the basic auth is supplied from 1password. Not great, but easier and faster than copying in username and password fields manually (and with keyboard shortcuts available to do each step it can be quite fast). From 1password comments I believe the limitation is because Firefox does not allow 1password to interact with the auth dialog box (which isn't strictly a bad policy from a general security point of view).
lukashrb 6y ago
100% this. I'm currently waiting for the ProtonMail calendar and still looking for an easy file sync solution. I tried syncthing today but it's really not that comfortable to use....
specialist 6y ago
If Firefox integrated with Keychain, it'd probably be my default browser again. I'd happily pay. Once Keychain got good enough, I transitioned to Safari 98% and dropped 1Password. iCloud syncing is nice too. -- Anecdotally, it just seems like a lot of web sites are poorly tested against Safari, so I run into weird stuff. Also, Safari now inevitably abends, seemingly after binging YouTube. I favor Safari, mostly because of lower power consumption. I have only positive things to say about Firefox. I've always liked it and I've read they keep improving the power stuff. If I ever do front end work again, I'll definitely go back to 50/50. -- Leaving gmail is on my to do list. I've just been too lazy to follow thru. I dunno why, but if Mozilla partnered with FastMail, I'd be more motivated. Probably for bragging rights, virtue signaling.
- rhlsthrm 6y ago
  Totally agree. I feel like I trust Safari in terms of privacy as well, and it works so well in the walled garden of iOS/macos. I really hope they get it up to date with the latest web standards, it's a joy to use otherwise.
stiray 6y ago
> If only to help make Firefox development less dependant on Google or Yahoo. Omg, my thoughts exactly! I dont want services... I dont want anything except that with the donations they will break away from google. That is it. And I bet a lot of us here would gladly donate, I donate to EFF while mozilla could in theory have more impact.
JoshTriplett 6y ago
I'd pay at least $10/month or $99/year for Firefox Accounts, just as they stand today, because they give me at least that much value. Integrate full 2FA into Lockwise, so that I have 2FA that'll never die with a broken phone, and I'd pay more. Add a secure calendar I can use with friends and family, and I'd pay more. (I'd hesitate to say email, just because running that is a can of worms I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I'd absolutely pay for that too.) I would love to have all of my major services tied into my Firefox Account, with the same level of security, privacy, and trust I've come to expect.
- slightwinder 6y ago
  > just as they stand today, Yeah, no. The least they should do is enhace the size for syncing extension-data. It's today limited to 100kb per extension, which destroys syncing for most useful extensions like ublock, greasemonkey or some mature manager for bookmarks and notes. Giving any paying user some GB as global storeage and remove the per-extenions-limitation would push productivity immense.
lub 6y ago
> chat This already exists: https://chat.mozilla.org/ https://chat.mozilla.org/ You can use it with your Firefox account.
- godelski 6y ago
  I've been hanging for about 20 minutes. What is this?
  - slightwinder 6y ago
    Mozillas own instance of a matrix-setup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)
rubyfan 6y ago
What products and services do you want from Mozilla?
- VWWHFSfQ 6y ago
  > email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium
hendersoon 6y ago
Mozilla VPN literally _is_ rebranded Mullvad. So if you want to contribute to Mozilla, should be a pretty easy switch for you.
- voltagex_ 6y ago
  I wonder why it's geoblocked in that case?
  - lmorchard 6y ago
    Different countries have different laws regarding encryption and money
devalgo 6y ago
Let them stay in the Niche maybe? I'd rather have a really great safe browser than half a dozen half baked products from the same company.
- mkl 6y ago
  The problem is the revenue source. Currently Mozilla gets most of their income from their biggest competitor, Google, which is pretty fragile and all-eggs-in-one-basket. Diversifying their revenue stream by slightly diversifying their product would make them more likely to survive.
test002 6y ago
/me wonders which Mozilla marketing person is responsible for planting this comment to justify value. Firefox accounts has a loooong ways to go. There's no webauthn support ( Mozilla's own standard ) and no recovery process. Clear disconnect between value and reality.
TheKarateKid 6y ago
Paying for a browser in this day and age would really bring Mozilla full-circle back to Netscape in the 90's. Time for them to reclaim the throne.
- shitgoose 6y ago
  Who said anything about the browser? We are talking about the data, aren't we?
  - TheKarateKid 6y ago
    OP is talking about “Firefox Premium.” You would be paying for the software and services. Firefox is the browser.
    - efreak 6y ago
      Firefox Premium is just branding, so far as I can tell. I can't imagine Mozilla charging for software. They might make software that's not useful without the service (like the VPN client), but the software itself is free.
m3kw9 6y ago
Not sure why I would switch to another chat, email, file, sync just because it’s from Mozilla
- esperent 6y ago
  Privacy
  - metrokoi 6y ago
    I don't think it's a good idea to give any company a monopoly on your data even if you trust them.
    - AnonC 6y ago
      Why would it be a monopoly? If you use something that uses open standards and provides ways to export or backup your data, you can move anytime. Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves (this argument could be stretched even further).
      - gpanders 6y ago
        > Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves One doesn't need a data center to host these kinds of services. Nextcloud on a Raspberry Pi works just fine.
      - a1369209993 6y ago
        > Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves (this argument could be stretched even further). Yes, yes they should; it's called a personal computer; IBM used to sell pre-built ones.
      - metrokoi 6y ago
        A monopoly on the services you use, not a monopoly as in they have total control over your data and you cannot export your data. If all you use is Mozilla services, as the original commenter would like, that is the very definition of a monopoly over your personal software usage. I did not imply anything of the sort, and I am astonished and confused as to why you would think that. How in the world does mentioning that it's not a good idea to give a company a monopoly over your personal usage lead to people should build their own personal data services? Obviously the real implication is that it's better to use multiple different providers of software services instead of one, or use as many different open source software as possible. The benefits being if or when a company decides to use your data for nefarious purposes they can only use a portion instead of all of your data. Likewise a security breach to one of those companies would only expose a portion as well.
johnklos 6y ago
Forgive me, but this feels like a circle-jerk. Do you REALLY don't care at all about whether they can be trusted? Do you really think they shouldn't be vetted, or held to explain their pro-certain-for-profit-companies decisions?
Beefin 6y ago
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/ https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
- AnonC 6y ago
  The GP seems to be asking for hosted services on a subscription model for email, calendar, etc., and not for the applications alone.
pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
"I'd pay good money..." Sorry, Google pays more. :) As much as you would like to be, you are not Mozilla's customer. You are, as they say, a "product". The subject of an ongoing marketing study. There are people willing to pay for the results of that study, and they are willing and able to pay much more than you will ever pay for Mozilla's open source software or use of its servers to store your personal data (email, calendar, files, etc.). We are told that Mozilla has to keep pace with Chrome (because ..., and that's because ....), and the only way they believe they can do that is to take money from Google. Mozilla's CEO and employees are far too expensive for their salaries to ever be paid by end users.
coronadisaster 6y ago
VPN should be number one feature to be implemented, for the private tabs, at least.
Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
Cries in FirefoxOS. Especially when a small unknown company can take the same abandoned platform to become a viable player in the smartphone ecosystem[1] just by targeting the right device for the OS & right strategic partnerships. At least Mozilla seems to have signed a deal with KaiOS to develop the Gecko engine further[2]. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS [2]https://www.kaiostech.com/press/kaios-technologies-and-mozilla-partner-to-enable-a-healthy-mobile-internet-for-everyone/ https://www.kaiostech.com/press/kaios-technologies-and-mozil...
AnonC 6y ago
Just to be clear, your donation at donate.mozilla.org goes to Mozilla Foundation. It doesn’t support the development of Firefox or other products, which are part of Mozilla Corporation (which gets about 90% or more of its revenue from the Google search partnership). This doesn’t mean your donation is useless, but it may not be going where one might think it’s going. I agree with your second paragraph, which is more in line with directly supporting Firefox and other products with money.
yalogin 6y ago
Oh wow. I haven't thought of this till now. But you are absolutely right. I would totally trust Mozilla to provide me the privacy sensitive alternatives to google and would definitely pay for them too.
krn 6y ago
There are many VPN services that begin just by reselling white-label VPN solutions, such as provided by NordVPN[1], because it's much cheaper and easier than building your own globally distributed high-capacity and low-latency network. I hope that Mozilla didn't go down this route, as many suspect ProtonVPN did[2], which Mozilla has partnered in the past with[3]. In fact, given that partnership I wouldn't be surprised, if Mozilla VPN was just a rebranded ProtonVPN service underneath. That would bring additional income to Mozilla without taking away any of the development resources from Firefox, and could be seen as a win-win situation by both companies. [1] https://nordvpn.com/white-label/ https://nordvpn.com/white-label/ [2] https://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-protonmail-protonvpn/ https://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn... [3] https://protonvpn.com/blog/mozilla-partnership/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/mozilla-partnership/
- nnt38 6y ago
  FYI Mozilla VPN will just be rebranded Mullvad, ProtonVPN is outdated. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-page-has-been-updated-mozilla/ https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-p...
  - krn 6y ago
    Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I consider Mullvad to be both, a technologically superior product, and a much more trustworthy company than ProtonVPN.
    - _rs 6y ago
      As someone who doesn't really use VPNs, could you expand on what makes Mullvad superior?
      - krn 6y ago
        From the technical point of view, Mullvad was one of the first VPN services to adopt and support the development of Wireguard; it was also one of the first to open-source all of its client-side code. From the privacy point of view, Mullvad doesn't ask for an email address, accepts payments in cash, publicly states the full names of all the people behind the company, and doesn't pay any affiliate commissions.
aiNohY6g 6y ago
>3 years ago, in french: https://linuxfr.org/users/aurelieng/journaux/mozilla-l-enjeu-de-2017-est-il-au-niveau-du-navigateur-web https://linuxfr.org/users/aurelieng/journaux/mozilla-l-enjeu... (can be translated with your favorite tool).
mattowen_uk 6y ago
What you are asking for, is a resurrection of Netscape Communicator[1], which had along with the browser, an email client, calendar, editor, chat etc. It was fairly popular in some corporates for a while, until Lotus/IBM and MS stepped up their collaboration game. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communicator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communicator
- DCKing 6y ago
  Sort of. Netscape Communicator critically never included server infrastructure and was completely focused on e.g. connecting to your ISP's email servers. Although a great 'client' experience is absolutely crucial for Firefox Premium's success and would be a modern resurrection of Netscape Communicator in that sense, what I mostly need is convenient 'servers' from a company that I can trust and a business model I can support. In a sense that would be a modern way of meeting the needs of Netscape Communicator, sure :)
  - Jaruzel 6y ago
    Agreed, in this day and age we mostly don't have or use the ISP services that come with our connections. Would you then use a Mozilla run mail service similar to gmail complete with calendaring and document storage, all built into a suite of client apps ? I think for a certain demographic this could turn into a good Google competitor if done right.
- slightwinder 6y ago
  Doesn't need to be a move back to Mozilla Suit (today named Seamonkey). They can offer web-services for this (just cooperate with an existing Provider like fastmail), but with trusted privacy features and embedded in the browser with first class-quality-extensions. Or they push thunderbird, the mail-client they brought into the world to just ignore it for such a long time. A trustable privacy-first mail-client with brainless configuration and maybe some useful modern PIM-features would sell well enough to satisfy a price. I mean there are already services doing that, mozilla couild cooperate with them or just push their own weight in the ring.
daitangio 6y ago
I agree. Bundle a PiHole-powered cluster service with a secure proxy for child surfing and Mozilla will get my bucks. Last but not least, it should be easy to set up.
- edelans 6y ago
  I recommend https://nextdns.io/ https://nextdns.io/ as "pihole as a service" (I'm not affiliated to piHole in anyway, just a happy user =) )
k_bx 6y ago
How about a search engine? Why can't they make their DuckDuckGo analog?
- berkes 6y ago
  Why would that be better than buying DDG, Qwant, Ecosia, Startpage or any other alternative out there? Or just putting their support behind one?
aetherspawn 6y ago
But then they would just turn into Google. Too much power corrupts.
compuguy 6y ago
Mozilla VPN's full device variant is essentially Mullvad...they are using them as a trusted partner.

by DCKing 6y ago

petejodo 6y ago

I don't have much too add, I'm just replying in case Mozilla devs see this. I want this so much as well! I don't mind the VPN though. I pay for it now even though I run mostly Linux

qchris 6y ago
I'm in exactly the same boat. Paying for the VPN to use on exactly one device because everything else is Linux, and would happily put more money towards it if they offered a paid equivalent to GSuite that was privacy-respecting.
- zrobotics 6y ago
  Question--why does everything else being Linux negate the need for a VPN? AFAIK, aren't the main reasons for a VPN bypassing georestricted content and avoiding ISP snooping? I don't see how running Linux negates any of these, and routing through a VPN certainly doesn't stop win10 from exfiltrating data.
  - rascul 6y ago
    Mozilla VPN is not yet available for Linux.

typon 6y ago

Only Mozilla can make me pay for Google services like Email/Calendar etc. I think I subconsciously trust the brand more than most internet companies out there.

beervirus 6y ago
Indeed. I feel about Mozilla the way I felt about Google a decade or two ago.
shafyy 6y ago
And the Basecamp guys with Hey :-)
lilyball 6y ago
How about FastMail? They have a stellar email service. They also offer contacts and calendars, though I don't personally use those (I use iCloud for that).
- neuronic 6y ago
  Yep, migrated from Gmail and very happily so :)
  - mderazon 6y ago
    I want to migrate from Gmail but I have my Gmail address tied up to so many things. How do you make the move ?
    - 867-5309 6y ago
      a bit like a physical address - forward the mail on for x months and then cut off completely
      - dsissitka 6y ago
        That's what I did and it worked well for me for the most part. I ended up keeping Gmail around for the occasional service that doesn't work well with Fastmail. Off the top of my head I've had issues with: - Frontier - Green Man Gaming - Paperspace - Rainway - SquareTrade

gnulinux 6y ago

I want this and want to pay for this. Hoping this will be a real product soon.

somurzakov 6y ago

internet scale email, calendar, password manager, OpenID auth provider, VPN, browser + integrated search via DDG = everybody's dream

belzebalex 6y ago
I know upvote already exists, but I deeply want to +1 on this one. If Mozilla does it, I'd be a happy customer to.
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mav3rick 6y ago
The "barely works" stack.
- aabhay 6y ago
  But with a “just works” vapor!

91edec 6y ago

I've wanted email so bad. Using protonmail til the day Mozilla decides to go down the email route.

Vysero 6y ago

Wait... why are you encouraging them to charge for it?

kyawzazaw 6y ago
it ensures that they have a sustainable revenue stream and won’t cave into selling data or shutting down
rubber_duck 6y ago
Because running it is not free and paying for it directly is the best way to align interests - you are the customer instead of being the product for advertising and analytics.

jean- 6y ago

I'm a Fastmail and Google Suite paying customer. I would SO transition to a "Firefox Suite" email+calendar service if Mozilla provided one.

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bobajeff 6y ago

I still want Mozilla to release a Android keyboard.

vorticalbox 6y ago
Me to currently using swift key as it came preinstalled but its owned by Microsoft. I use net guard to stop basically everything in my phone from contacting the Internet.
jtrip 6y ago
I believe the 'AnySoftKeyboard' is a good opensource alternative for Android, no?
- pmontra 6y ago
  Gesture typing (swipe) is still in beta and didn't work much the last time I checked. I'm posting this by swiping on SwiftKey. I've been using swiping keyboards since 2011 and I won't go back to tapping buttons.

onyva 6y ago

Agree. I’m currently on Proton but I’d like to see Mozilla bundle the essentials, with vpn and mail as the basics. Also, consider if possible affordability for students and senior, who might not be able to afford a subscription. Maybe limited bandwidth for free w/o subscription? Something like ProtonVPN provided.

j1elo 6y ago

I was just about to change to something different from LastPass, pretty much convinced about Bitwarden from previous HN mentions, until you mentioned Lockwise :-) care to share some pros and cons or comparison between these two?

staplers 6y ago
Currently using both, Bitwarden is much more robust, customizable, and safe (audited by 3rd party). Lockwise is great if you want a simple pw manager for browsing online but Bitwarden is like a "life" manager that can store addresses, credit cards, notes, passwords, etc.
- AnonC 6y ago
  I use Bitwarden as my main password manager. But Bitwarden is still lacking in the "life" management part because common things like WiFi passwords or software licenses need to be added as custom entities. Managing those is not easy with Bitwarden. I stopped using 1Password long ago (when it moved to a subscription model), but it has had many more rich types to manage for a long time. Bitwarden has a long way to go.
calvinmorrison 6y ago
I can offer up 1password comments. It has a good native app for osx. I don't use osx. It offers a CLI tool that spits out json. I wish it would just integrate with pass(1). The Firefox add-on is close enough to abysmal that I use thier website making it inconvenient. It doesn't work with regular http auth so you have to copy the fields in manually then refresh. Otherwise it's fine. The multiple Vaults is great to share passwords among family or maybe your co-workers. It has features like TOTP and supports many types of other fields. 4/10 on usability 10/10 on its core feature set. Probably a 9/10 on osx.
- bjdean 6y ago
  > It doesn't work with regular http auth so you have to copy the fields in manually then refresh. There's a slightly easier way - escape out of the basic auth dialog box, open the 1password menu which will be showing you the website you're on and select 'Autofill', and then reload the page (ie Ctrl-R) and the basic auth is supplied from 1password. Not great, but easier and faster than copying in username and password fields manually (and with keyboard shortcuts available to do each step it can be quite fast). From 1password comments I believe the limitation is because Firefox does not allow 1password to interact with the auth dialog box (which isn't strictly a bad policy from a general security point of view).

lukashrb 6y ago

100% this. I'm currently waiting for the ProtonMail calendar and still looking for an easy file sync solution. I tried syncthing today but it's really not that comfortable to use....

specialist 6y ago

If Firefox integrated with Keychain, it'd probably be my default browser again. I'd happily pay. Once Keychain got good enough, I transitioned to Safari 98% and dropped 1Password. iCloud syncing is nice too. -- Anecdotally, it just seems like a lot of web sites are poorly tested against Safari, so I run into weird stuff. Also, Safari now inevitably abends, seemingly after binging YouTube. I favor Safari, mostly because of lower power consumption. I have only positive things to say about Firefox. I've always liked it and I've read they keep improving the power stuff. If I ever do front end work again, I'll definitely go back to 50/50. -- Leaving gmail is on my to do list. I've just been too lazy to follow thru. I dunno why, but if Mozilla partnered with FastMail, I'd be more motivated. Probably for bragging rights, virtue signaling.

rhlsthrm 6y ago
Totally agree. I feel like I trust Safari in terms of privacy as well, and it works so well in the walled garden of iOS/macos. I really hope they get it up to date with the latest web standards, it's a joy to use otherwise.

stiray 6y ago

> If only to help make Firefox development less dependant on Google or Yahoo. Omg, my thoughts exactly! I dont want services... I dont want anything except that with the donations they will break away from google. That is it. And I bet a lot of us here would gladly donate, I donate to EFF while mozilla could in theory have more impact.

JoshTriplett 6y ago

I'd pay at least $10/month or $99/year for Firefox Accounts, just as they stand today, because they give me at least that much value. Integrate full 2FA into Lockwise, so that I have 2FA that'll never die with a broken phone, and I'd pay more. Add a secure calendar I can use with friends and family, and I'd pay more. (I'd hesitate to say email, just because running that is a can of worms I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, but I'd absolutely pay for that too.) I would love to have all of my major services tied into my Firefox Account, with the same level of security, privacy, and trust I've come to expect.

slightwinder 6y ago
> just as they stand today, Yeah, no. The least they should do is enhace the size for syncing extension-data. It's today limited to 100kb per extension, which destroys syncing for most useful extensions like ublock, greasemonkey or some mature manager for bookmarks and notes. Giving any paying user some GB as global storeage and remove the per-extenions-limitation would push productivity immense.

lub 6y ago

> chat This already exists: https://chat.mozilla.org/ https://chat.mozilla.org/ You can use it with your Firefox account.

godelski 6y ago
I've been hanging for about 20 minutes. What is this?
- slightwinder 6y ago
  Mozillas own instance of a matrix-setup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)

rubyfan 6y ago

What products and services do you want from Mozilla?

VWWHFSfQ 6y ago
> email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium

hendersoon 6y ago

Mozilla VPN literally _is_ rebranded Mullvad. So if you want to contribute to Mozilla, should be a pretty easy switch for you.

voltagex_ 6y ago
I wonder why it's geoblocked in that case?
- lmorchard 6y ago
  Different countries have different laws regarding encryption and money

devalgo 6y ago

Let them stay in the Niche maybe? I'd rather have a really great safe browser than half a dozen half baked products from the same company.

mkl 6y ago
The problem is the revenue source. Currently Mozilla gets most of their income from their biggest competitor, Google, which is pretty fragile and all-eggs-in-one-basket. Diversifying their revenue stream by slightly diversifying their product would make them more likely to survive.

test002 6y ago

/me wonders which Mozilla marketing person is responsible for planting this comment to justify value. Firefox accounts has a loooong ways to go. There's no webauthn support ( Mozilla's own standard ) and no recovery process. Clear disconnect between value and reality.

TheKarateKid 6y ago

Paying for a browser in this day and age would really bring Mozilla full-circle back to Netscape in the 90's. Time for them to reclaim the throne.

shitgoose 6y ago
Who said anything about the browser? We are talking about the data, aren't we?
- TheKarateKid 6y ago
  OP is talking about “Firefox Premium.” You would be paying for the software and services. Firefox is the browser.
  - efreak 6y ago
    Firefox Premium is just branding, so far as I can tell. I can't imagine Mozilla charging for software. They might make software that's not useful without the service (like the VPN client), but the software itself is free.

m3kw9 6y ago

Not sure why I would switch to another chat, email, file, sync just because it’s from Mozilla

esperent 6y ago
Privacy
- metrokoi 6y ago
  I don't think it's a good idea to give any company a monopoly on your data even if you trust them.
  - AnonC 6y ago
    Why would it be a monopoly? If you use something that uses open standards and provides ways to export or backup your data, you can move anytime. Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves (this argument could be stretched even further).
    - gpanders 6y ago
      > Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves One doesn't need a data center to host these kinds of services. Nextcloud on a Raspberry Pi works just fine.
    - a1369209993 6y ago
      > Taken a little deeper, your statement would imply that people should build and maintain their own data centers and host all services by themselves (this argument could be stretched even further). Yes, yes they should; it's called a personal computer; IBM used to sell pre-built ones.
    - metrokoi 6y ago
      A monopoly on the services you use, not a monopoly as in they have total control over your data and you cannot export your data. If all you use is Mozilla services, as the original commenter would like, that is the very definition of a monopoly over your personal software usage. I did not imply anything of the sort, and I am astonished and confused as to why you would think that. How in the world does mentioning that it's not a good idea to give a company a monopoly over your personal usage lead to people should build their own personal data services? Obviously the real implication is that it's better to use multiple different providers of software services instead of one, or use as many different open source software as possible. The benefits being if or when a company decides to use your data for nefarious purposes they can only use a portion instead of all of your data. Likewise a security breach to one of those companies would only expose a portion as well.

johnklos 6y ago

Forgive me, but this feels like a circle-jerk. Do you REALLY don't care at all about whether they can be trusted? Do you really think they shouldn't be vetted, or held to explain their pro-certain-for-profit-companies decisions?

Beefin 6y ago

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/ https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/

AnonC 6y ago
The GP seems to be asking for hosted services on a subscription model for email, calendar, etc., and not for the applications alone.

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago

"I'd pay good money..." Sorry, Google pays more. :) As much as you would like to be, you are not Mozilla's customer. You are, as they say, a "product". The subject of an ongoing marketing study. There are people willing to pay for the results of that study, and they are willing and able to pay much more than you will ever pay for Mozilla's open source software or use of its servers to store your personal data (email, calendar, files, etc.). We are told that Mozilla has to keep pace with Chrome (because ..., and that's because ....), and the only way they believe they can do that is to take money from Google. Mozilla's CEO and employees are far too expensive for their salaries to ever be paid by end users.

coronadisaster 6y ago

VPN should be number one feature to be implemented, for the private tabs, at least.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago

Cries in FirefoxOS. Especially when a small unknown company can take the same abandoned platform to become a viable player in the smartphone ecosystem[1] just by targeting the right device for the OS & right strategic partnerships. At least Mozilla seems to have signed a deal with KaiOS to develop the Gecko engine further[2]. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS [2]https://www.kaiostech.com/press/kaios-technologies-and-mozilla-partner-to-enable-a-healthy-mobile-internet-for-everyone/ https://www.kaiostech.com/press/kaios-technologies-and-mozil...

AnonC 6y ago

Just to be clear, your donation at donate.mozilla.org goes to Mozilla Foundation. It doesn’t support the development of Firefox or other products, which are part of Mozilla Corporation (which gets about 90% or more of its revenue from the Google search partnership). This doesn’t mean your donation is useless, but it may not be going where one might think it’s going. I agree with your second paragraph, which is more in line with directly supporting Firefox and other products with money.

yalogin 6y ago

Oh wow. I haven't thought of this till now. But you are absolutely right. I would totally trust Mozilla to provide me the privacy sensitive alternatives to google and would definitely pay for them too.

krn 6y ago

There are many VPN services that begin just by reselling white-label VPN solutions, such as provided by NordVPN[1], because it's much cheaper and easier than building your own globally distributed high-capacity and low-latency network. I hope that Mozilla didn't go down this route, as many suspect ProtonVPN did[2], which Mozilla has partnered in the past with[3]. In fact, given that partnership I wouldn't be surprised, if Mozilla VPN was just a rebranded ProtonVPN service underneath. That would bring additional income to Mozilla without taking away any of the development resources from Firefox, and could be seen as a win-win situation by both companies. [1] https://nordvpn.com/white-label/ https://nordvpn.com/white-label/ [2] https://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-protonmail-protonvpn/ https://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn... [3] https://protonvpn.com/blog/mozilla-partnership/ https://protonvpn.com/blog/mozilla-partnership/

nnt38 6y ago
FYI Mozilla VPN will just be rebranded Mullvad, ProtonVPN is outdated. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-page-has-been-updated-mozilla/ https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-p...
- krn 6y ago
  Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I consider Mullvad to be both, a technologically superior product, and a much more trustworthy company than ProtonVPN.
  - _rs 6y ago
    As someone who doesn't really use VPNs, could you expand on what makes Mullvad superior?
    - krn 6y ago
      From the technical point of view, Mullvad was one of the first VPN services to adopt and support the development of Wireguard; it was also one of the first to open-source all of its client-side code. From the privacy point of view, Mullvad doesn't ask for an email address, accepts payments in cash, publicly states the full names of all the people behind the company, and doesn't pay any affiliate commissions.

aiNohY6g 6y ago

>3 years ago, in french: https://linuxfr.org/users/aurelieng/journaux/mozilla-l-enjeu-de-2017-est-il-au-niveau-du-navigateur-web https://linuxfr.org/users/aurelieng/journaux/mozilla-l-enjeu... (can be translated with your favorite tool).

mattowen_uk 6y ago

What you are asking for, is a resurrection of Netscape Communicator[1], which had along with the browser, an email client, calendar, editor, chat etc. It was fairly popular in some corporates for a while, until Lotus/IBM and MS stepped up their collaboration game. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communicator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Communicator

DCKing 6y ago
Sort of. Netscape Communicator critically never included server infrastructure and was completely focused on e.g. connecting to your ISP's email servers. Although a great 'client' experience is absolutely crucial for Firefox Premium's success and would be a modern resurrection of Netscape Communicator in that sense, what I mostly need is convenient 'servers' from a company that I can trust and a business model I can support. In a sense that would be a modern way of meeting the needs of Netscape Communicator, sure :)
- Jaruzel 6y ago
  Agreed, in this day and age we mostly don't have or use the ISP services that come with our connections. Would you then use a Mozilla run mail service similar to gmail complete with calendaring and document storage, all built into a suite of client apps ? I think for a certain demographic this could turn into a good Google competitor if done right.
slightwinder 6y ago
Doesn't need to be a move back to Mozilla Suit (today named Seamonkey). They can offer web-services for this (just cooperate with an existing Provider like fastmail), but with trusted privacy features and embedded in the browser with first class-quality-extensions. Or they push thunderbird, the mail-client they brought into the world to just ignore it for such a long time. A trustable privacy-first mail-client with brainless configuration and maybe some useful modern PIM-features would sell well enough to satisfy a price. I mean there are already services doing that, mozilla couild cooperate with them or just push their own weight in the ring.

daitangio 6y ago

I agree. Bundle a PiHole-powered cluster service with a secure proxy for child surfing and Mozilla will get my bucks. Last but not least, it should be easy to set up.

edelans 6y ago
I recommend https://nextdns.io/ https://nextdns.io/ as "pihole as a service" (I'm not affiliated to piHole in anyway, just a happy user =) )

k_bx 6y ago

How about a search engine? Why can't they make their DuckDuckGo analog?

berkes 6y ago
Why would that be better than buying DDG, Qwant, Ecosia, Startpage or any other alternative out there? Or just putting their support behind one?

aetherspawn 6y ago

But then they would just turn into Google. Too much power corrupts.

compuguy 6y ago

Mozilla VPN's full device variant is essentially Mullvad...they are using them as a trusted partner.