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I think this was absolutely the right move because it was so blatant and disgusting. I do however fear that this was a bait. The campaign posts something so bl

I think this was absolutely the right move because it was so blatant and disgusting. I do however fear that this was a bait. The campaign posts something so blatant in order to get it taken down to be able to claim victimhood and enrage the base.

andrew_ 6y ago
Or bait to fuel the potential moves by the DOJ and Barr against Section 230 that's received recent coverage.
- falcrist 6y ago
  I don't see how it would help the DOJ do anything against 47 U.S.C. 230. There's nothing there that stops Facebook from enforcing a code of conduct. A public website is allowed to be biased without losing any protections under that code. There is no distinction between publisher and platform. Hell, you could be a newspaper website with a comment section, and you'd still be legally protected from liability for what users posted. I strongly encourage people to actually read the law. Its not difficult to understand. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230
taurath 6y ago
Yup, and that it would work is because Facebook doesn't actually fight back, they just steadily move back their line in the sand because they're afraid of the backlash.
duxup 6y ago
Playing the victim is Trumps pattern, but I'm not sure it is the end goal. I think they'd be just as happy their hateful ads run too. Trump has proven that he doesn't need any truthful event to rally around. If it doesn't play out he'll just make it up too. I think this is just more the randomness of Trump and the folks around him / their shifting influences and etc.
pacamara619 6y ago
The German party AfD is known for this tactic. They say something outrageous, their post gets deleted or something similar happens, then they play into the victim role and call everyone else "Lügenpresse" (≈ Fake News). Internal documents from a few years ago have described this tactic.
shiv86 6y ago
Very interesting related twitter thread: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273631800636702721 https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273631800636702721
- troughway 6y ago
  I can't tell if the examples in that twitter roll are validating or invalidating the message. These political threads are a dumpster fire. And these idiots bought right into it.
- amyjess 6y ago
  And if you check out some of her other tweets on this, such as https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273645070709858305 https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273645070709858305 And the replies: https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1273650404983631875 https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1273650404983631875 88 versions of the ad, and the first sentence of the ad contains 14 words. The numbers 14/88 have considerable significance here, especially when paired with the use of a concentration camp symbol..
  - robotron 6y ago
    I see how that could be the case but once we start delving into numerology we start to sound like conspiracy theorists.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      14/88 is hardly a conspiracy theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
    - guerrilla 6y ago
      This is why they use it. It's the perfect dog whistle. Google 1488 tattoos to get an idea of just how serious and prevalent it is. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics [2]. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=1488+tattoos&atb=v209-1&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=1488+tattoos&atb=v209-1&iax...
dfxm12 6y ago
to be able to claim victimhood and enrage the base That the most powerful man in the world tries to play victim and that his "base", people who call anyone speaking up just to try to get a fair shake out of life a "snowflake", can buy into it is fascinating. Any group of people that has this little self-awareness does need to be enraged. They are true believers, through and through.
thih9 6y ago
It seems an almost unprecedented level of immature trolling. I wonder if society will get bored of this at some point. The shock value of using taboo ideology does wear off.
- lopmotr 6y ago
  With Naziism, the shock value seems to have actually strengthened over the decades and years. Do you see any sign of it wearing off? I'd say it won't wear off until it becomes an acceptable ideology. Communist or satanist symbols no longer have as much shock value as they used to, for example.
  - thih9 6y ago
    I'm not talking about any particular ideology not being shocking anymore. I'm talking about society getting bored with people who rely on shocking and immature pranks.
    - lopmotr 6y ago
      Yea, it feeds on itself. If people get upset, that prompts more people to use it to shock them. When offended people finally get bored with it (ie they stop finding it offensive), I'm sure it'll die down. But some new thing will be used to wind up the new generation of prudes that replaces them.
- bduerst 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
jacques_chester 6y ago
Placating the base is pointless, it thinks what it's told.
- lefrenchy 6y ago
  That's a good point. I think it riles up the base, but serves to try to bring people to their side by nature of: "Look how crazy the left wing big tech companies are they censor red triangles" You're spot on that the base is already sold and doesn't need to be convinced.
loopz 6y ago
Do note this is exactly Trump's gaslit arguments (vile, digusting, untrue, etc.) for attacking the free media.

andrew_ 6y ago

Or bait to fuel the potential moves by the DOJ and Barr against Section 230 that's received recent coverage.

falcrist 6y ago
I don't see how it would help the DOJ do anything against 47 U.S.C. 230. There's nothing there that stops Facebook from enforcing a code of conduct. A public website is allowed to be biased without losing any protections under that code. There is no distinction between publisher and platform. Hell, you could be a newspaper website with a comment section, and you'd still be legally protected from liability for what users posted. I strongly encourage people to actually read the law. Its not difficult to understand. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

taurath 6y ago

Yup, and that it would work is because Facebook doesn't actually fight back, they just steadily move back their line in the sand because they're afraid of the backlash.

duxup 6y ago

Playing the victim is Trumps pattern, but I'm not sure it is the end goal. I think they'd be just as happy their hateful ads run too. Trump has proven that he doesn't need any truthful event to rally around. If it doesn't play out he'll just make it up too. I think this is just more the randomness of Trump and the folks around him / their shifting influences and etc.

pacamara619 6y ago

The German party AfD is known for this tactic. They say something outrageous, their post gets deleted or something similar happens, then they play into the victim role and call everyone else "Lügenpresse" (≈ Fake News). Internal documents from a few years ago have described this tactic.

shiv86 6y ago

Very interesting related twitter thread: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273631800636702721 https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273631800636702721

troughway 6y ago
I can't tell if the examples in that twitter roll are validating or invalidating the message. These political threads are a dumpster fire. And these idiots bought right into it.
amyjess 6y ago
And if you check out some of her other tweets on this, such as https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273645070709858305 https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1273645070709858305 And the replies: https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1273650404983631875 https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1273650404983631875 88 versions of the ad, and the first sentence of the ad contains 14 words. The numbers 14/88 have considerable significance here, especially when paired with the use of a concentration camp symbol..
- robotron 6y ago
  I see how that could be the case but once we start delving into numerology we start to sound like conspiracy theorists.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    14/88 is hardly a conspiracy theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
  - guerrilla 6y ago
    This is why they use it. It's the perfect dog whistle. Google 1488 tattoos to get an idea of just how serious and prevalent it is. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics [2]. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=1488+tattoos&atb=v209-1&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=1488+tattoos&atb=v209-1&iax...

dfxm12 6y ago

to be able to claim victimhood and enrage the base That the most powerful man in the world tries to play victim and that his "base", people who call anyone speaking up just to try to get a fair shake out of life a "snowflake", can buy into it is fascinating. Any group of people that has this little self-awareness does need to be enraged. They are true believers, through and through.

thih9 6y ago

It seems an almost unprecedented level of immature trolling. I wonder if society will get bored of this at some point. The shock value of using taboo ideology does wear off.

lopmotr 6y ago
With Naziism, the shock value seems to have actually strengthened over the decades and years. Do you see any sign of it wearing off? I'd say it won't wear off until it becomes an acceptable ideology. Communist or satanist symbols no longer have as much shock value as they used to, for example.
- thih9 6y ago
  I'm not talking about any particular ideology not being shocking anymore. I'm talking about society getting bored with people who rely on shocking and immature pranks.
  - lopmotr 6y ago
    Yea, it feeds on itself. If people get upset, that prompts more people to use it to shock them. When offended people finally get bored with it (ie they stop finding it offensive), I'm sure it'll die down. But some new thing will be used to wind up the new generation of prudes that replaces them.
bduerst 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

jacques_chester 6y ago

Placating the base is pointless, it thinks what it's told.

lefrenchy 6y ago
That's a good point. I think it riles up the base, but serves to try to bring people to their side by nature of: "Look how crazy the left wing big tech companies are they censor red triangles" You're spot on that the base is already sold and doesn't need to be convinced.

loopz 6y ago

Do note this is exactly Trump's gaslit arguments (vile, digusting, untrue, etc.) for attacking the free media.