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Just because the peer-to-peer software known to you may suck does not mean that the concept of peer-to-peer is obsolete. Nevermind Wireguard and other known ex

Just because the peer-to-peer software known to you may suck does not mean that the concept of peer-to-peer is obsolete. Nevermind Wireguard and other known examples of peer-to-peer software that does not suck, consider that there is software you do not know about. The idea that "peer-to-peer" is Napster plus some list of crappy, widely known software fiddling around with DHTs and dreaming about "the next big thing" is nonsense. Peer-to-peer is just a design principle The term the parent comment used was "middle man" not man-in-the-middle. As for "E2EE", I have never seen djb even use that term. I see many untrustworthy "tech" companies using it though.

g-b-r 6y ago
I don't know what's going on here, I never said that any peer-to-peer software sucks or that the concept is obsolete, in fact I much prefer it if a system is distributed/peer-to-peer. All I said and cared to stress, to avoid that someone reading this make mistaken assumptions about p2p software (although probably few of this site's users would run the risk), is that ^^^they don't, as you claimed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23554823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23554823 , automatically imply "encryption that a middle man cannot decrypt"^^^. You admitted you don't even know what end-to-end encryption is, and apparently don't know much about encryption, what are you debating? --- > The term the parent comment used was "middle man" not man-in-the-middle It's the same thing (unless the post author meant "a man of middle age") --- > As for "E2EE", I have never seen djb even use that term You mean Daniel J. Bernstein with djb? Do you mean that you are actually knowledgeable about encryption? I don't mean to be insulting but it didn't seem so (and there wouldn't be anything bad in that), it's hard to believe that someone with basic familiarity with encryption wouldn't know what end-to-end encryption is. If with "that term" you meant the E2EE acronym, I indeed wouldn't be surprised if Daniel J. Bernstein never used it, it's the first time I see it myself (but it obviously doesn't mean anything more than "end-to-end encryption"). --- I don't know why you took it so personally, maybe I sounded aggressive in saying NO in uppercase, if so I'm sorry, it was just to make it more visible
- pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
  I mean the term as it is being used by Zoom and others, not just the acronym. What I commented is that I am not interested in the term "end-to-end encryption". To me, at this point, it does not mean anything. It is no more meaningful than "cloud computing", "big data" or "AI". I prefer to read source code, not marketing copy. I want to know what something "does" not what it "is". The former is factual the later is potentially subjective. IMO, it is irrelevant what you or I know or do not know. No one really cares. Focus on the comment, not trying to make assumptions about the user who submitted it. https://web.archive.org/web/20051029045942/http://www.unc.edu/courses/jomc050/idog.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20051029045942/http://www.unc.ed... Example comment: "Peer-to-peer is a viable design for videoconferencing for small groups. If one is concerned about a "middle man" then it is worth investigating a peer-to-peer design."
  - g-b-r 6y ago
    Bah (yes, looking at the source code instead of the description is a good advice, and to focus on the comments is another one, but I really lost you) (sorry for the late reply)

g-b-r 6y ago

I don't know what's going on here, I never said that any peer-to-peer software sucks or that the concept is obsolete, in fact I much prefer it if a system is distributed/peer-to-peer. All I said and cared to stress, to avoid that someone reading this make mistaken assumptions about p2p software (although probably few of this site's users would run the risk), is that ^^^they don't, as you claimed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23554823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23554823 , automatically imply "encryption that a middle man cannot decrypt"^^^. You admitted you don't even know what end-to-end encryption is, and apparently don't know much about encryption, what are you debating? --- > The term the parent comment used was "middle man" not man-in-the-middle It's the same thing (unless the post author meant "a man of middle age") --- > As for "E2EE", I have never seen djb even use that term You mean Daniel J. Bernstein with djb? Do you mean that you are actually knowledgeable about encryption? I don't mean to be insulting but it didn't seem so (and there wouldn't be anything bad in that), it's hard to believe that someone with basic familiarity with encryption wouldn't know what end-to-end encryption is. If with "that term" you meant the E2EE acronym, I indeed wouldn't be surprised if Daniel J. Bernstein never used it, it's the first time I see it myself (but it obviously doesn't mean anything more than "end-to-end encryption"). --- I don't know why you took it so personally, maybe I sounded aggressive in saying NO in uppercase, if so I'm sorry, it was just to make it more visible

pwdisswordfish2 6y ago
I mean the term as it is being used by Zoom and others, not just the acronym. What I commented is that I am not interested in the term "end-to-end encryption". To me, at this point, it does not mean anything. It is no more meaningful than "cloud computing", "big data" or "AI". I prefer to read source code, not marketing copy. I want to know what something "does" not what it "is". The former is factual the later is potentially subjective. IMO, it is irrelevant what you or I know or do not know. No one really cares. Focus on the comment, not trying to make assumptions about the user who submitted it. https://web.archive.org/web/20051029045942/http://www.unc.edu/courses/jomc050/idog.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20051029045942/http://www.unc.ed... Example comment: "Peer-to-peer is a viable design for videoconferencing for small groups. If one is concerned about a "middle man" then it is worth investigating a peer-to-peer design."
- g-b-r 6y ago
  Bah (yes, looking at the source code instead of the description is a good advice, and to focus on the comments is another one, but I really lost you) (sorry for the late reply)