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The only "relevant" information found in the quote in the GP comment is the nationality of the CEO. How does one jump from the CEO's nationality to inevitable t

The only "relevant" information found in the quote in the GP comment is the nationality of the CEO. How does one jump from the CEO's nationality to inevitable ties and implicit subservience to CCP?

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briandear 6y ago
Nationality is not a race. Nationality implies a connection with a specific country. And when that specific country is a vast wasteland for human rights and privacy and civil liberties, then yes, it’s relevant.
jatone 6y ago
ignoring the quote for a second we know a few things about this CEO and zoom. 1. zoom's application is sending data to Chinese servers separate from the application functionality servers. 2. the CEO is from china, I'm going to assume he has relatives in china. 3. we know CCP is a completely fucked up government with an absolutely horrible history of civil rights violations, genocide, etc. I wouldn't put it past CCP to be pressuring the CEO by threatening relatives who live in china. this wouldn't be unheard of for CCP. add the the unnecessary data transfer to chinese servers makes it look really bad. its a fairly reasonable conclusion to draw that the CEO is compromised if all the above holds true. more extreme conclusions could just as easily be drawn from that same data that he is literally a foreign agent for china.
- shaan1 6y ago
  Very true.
- pesfandiar 6y ago
  I find myself agreeing with most of your points. I mainly took issue with taking a shortcut from "being born and raised in China" to being a hostile Chinese agent (and we don't even know if the CEO has relatives in China that can be leveraged anyway).
mcbutterbunz 6y ago
Didn't Zoom block a US based activist on the request of the Chinese government? I'm not arguing that there is complete subservience to the CCP but this censorship seems like a line was crossed. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/technology/zoom-china-tiananmen-square.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/technology/zoom-china-tia... Edit: Let me also state that I'm not entirely sure what OP's argument was, considering the comment was deleted. I'm merely stating that there seems to be some cooperation with the CCP and Zoom.
- pesfandiar 6y ago
  I'm aware of Zoom's track record, and it could certainly be scrutinized, criticized, or even boycotted. What we have here is going from "CEO was born and raised in China" to "No wonder why they have to play party with CCP" and "inevitable ties and implicit subservience to the CCP". I can't see the logical connection in the absence of other information. Don't you see a problem with assuming someone's motives purely from their country of origin?
  - g-b-r 6y ago
    Is it licit to at least keep it into account? Or we need Xi Jinping's permission?

The only "relevant" information found in the quote in the GP comment is the nationality of the CEO. How does one jump from the CEO's nationality to inevitable ties and implicit subservience to CCP?

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briandear 6y ago

Nationality is not a race. Nationality implies a connection with a specific country. And when that specific country is a vast wasteland for human rights and privacy and civil liberties, then yes, it’s relevant.

jatone 6y ago

ignoring the quote for a second we know a few things about this CEO and zoom. 1. zoom's application is sending data to Chinese servers separate from the application functionality servers. 2. the CEO is from china, I'm going to assume he has relatives in china. 3. we know CCP is a completely fucked up government with an absolutely horrible history of civil rights violations, genocide, etc. I wouldn't put it past CCP to be pressuring the CEO by threatening relatives who live in china. this wouldn't be unheard of for CCP. add the the unnecessary data transfer to chinese servers makes it look really bad. its a fairly reasonable conclusion to draw that the CEO is compromised if all the above holds true. more extreme conclusions could just as easily be drawn from that same data that he is literally a foreign agent for china.

shaan1 6y ago
Very true.
pesfandiar 6y ago
I find myself agreeing with most of your points. I mainly took issue with taking a shortcut from "being born and raised in China" to being a hostile Chinese agent (and we don't even know if the CEO has relatives in China that can be leveraged anyway).

mcbutterbunz 6y ago

Didn't Zoom block a US based activist on the request of the Chinese government? I'm not arguing that there is complete subservience to the CCP but this censorship seems like a line was crossed. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/technology/zoom-china-tiananmen-square.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/technology/zoom-china-tia... Edit: Let me also state that I'm not entirely sure what OP's argument was, considering the comment was deleted. I'm merely stating that there seems to be some cooperation with the CCP and Zoom.

pesfandiar 6y ago
I'm aware of Zoom's track record, and it could certainly be scrutinized, criticized, or even boycotted. What we have here is going from "CEO was born and raised in China" to "No wonder why they have to play party with CCP" and "inevitable ties and implicit subservience to the CCP". I can't see the logical connection in the absence of other information. Don't you see a problem with assuming someone's motives purely from their country of origin?
- g-b-r 6y ago
  Is it licit to at least keep it into account? Or we need Xi Jinping's permission?