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> I worry for the future if more companies take this approach. That future is here. All macOS desktop apps must be signed with an $99 developer certificate fro

> I worry for the future if more companies take this approach. That future is here. All macOS desktop apps must be signed with an $99 developer certificate from Apple. All Windows apps must be signed with a $300-ish developer certificate otherwise Windows scare away 99% of users from running the installer. I can't comment for Linux but I see snapcraft.io is getting some pretty big usage numbers... I really can't put what I want on my Android phone. I briefly read I need to 'unlock' my bootloader using some procedure which implies getting approval from Xiaomi and/or doing a factory reset of my phone which means losing everything. Seems designed to be as inconvenient as possible.

solarkraft 6y ago
> I can't comment for Linux but I see snapcraft.io is getting some pretty big usage numbers..... This is due to Ubuntu pushing it, but the community mostly hates it. Ubuntu drives m derivates like Mint actually completely rip it out. > All macOS desktop apps must be signed with an $99 developer certificate from Apple Can't you just uncheck an option in the settings? > All Windows apps must be signed with a $300-ish developer certificate otherwise Windows scare away 99% of users The significant difference to iOS is that you can tell your user what to do to get the app running anyway. No such (reasonably expectable) way on iOS.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  > Can't you just uncheck an option in the settings? > The significant difference to iOS is that you can tell your user what to do to get the app running anyway. No such (reasonably expectable) way on iOS. Even these aren't "reasonably expectable" for most users. Those hoops and warnings will scare away a lot of people that technically could have ran the app.
vntok 6y ago
Where does your 99% number come from in "Windows scare away 99% of users from running the installer"? From what I've seen, on the contrary most non-tech users simply click on "accept the risk" every single time there's one of those "scary" screens. They just do, just like they bypass HTTPS warnings in browsers. After all, most informed users us included do the same, maybe after a 5-10s pause in front of the screen to read the company name. The number of people "scared away" seems way less than 50%, and I'd imagine it is probably around or even less than 15%.
- tdeck 6y ago
  In this case the "accept the risk" button is hidden. Here's what the dialog looks like in Windows 10: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bDj59.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/bDj59.png Notice that "more info" in a slightly different shade is actually a link. When you click it you get the option to bypass the security block.
- power78 6y ago
  >They just do, just like they bypass HTTPS warnings in browsers. How could you possibly know this, other than anecdotally?
power78 6y ago
>I really can't put what I want on my Android phone. To be fair, that is only valid at face value. Yes, you yourself might not be able to do that technically, but it is quite easy and flat out possible compared to an iPhone.
- Grimm665 6y ago
  Not on many (most?) Android phones. Samsung, Motorola, and LG devices still require many hoops to jump through if it's possible at all. Not all manufacturers are as open to rooting as OnePlus.

solarkraft 6y ago

> I can't comment for Linux but I see snapcraft.io is getting some pretty big usage numbers..... This is due to Ubuntu pushing it, but the community mostly hates it. Ubuntu drives m derivates like Mint actually completely rip it out. > All macOS desktop apps must be signed with an $99 developer certificate from Apple Can't you just uncheck an option in the settings? > All Windows apps must be signed with a $300-ish developer certificate otherwise Windows scare away 99% of users The significant difference to iOS is that you can tell your user what to do to get the app running anyway. No such (reasonably expectable) way on iOS.

josephcsible 6y ago
> Can't you just uncheck an option in the settings? > The significant difference to iOS is that you can tell your user what to do to get the app running anyway. No such (reasonably expectable) way on iOS. Even these aren't "reasonably expectable" for most users. Those hoops and warnings will scare away a lot of people that technically could have ran the app.

vntok 6y ago

Where does your 99% number come from in "Windows scare away 99% of users from running the installer"? From what I've seen, on the contrary most non-tech users simply click on "accept the risk" every single time there's one of those "scary" screens. They just do, just like they bypass HTTPS warnings in browsers. After all, most informed users us included do the same, maybe after a 5-10s pause in front of the screen to read the company name. The number of people "scared away" seems way less than 50%, and I'd imagine it is probably around or even less than 15%.

tdeck 6y ago
In this case the "accept the risk" button is hidden. Here's what the dialog looks like in Windows 10: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bDj59.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/bDj59.png Notice that "more info" in a slightly different shade is actually a link. When you click it you get the option to bypass the security block.
power78 6y ago
>They just do, just like they bypass HTTPS warnings in browsers. How could you possibly know this, other than anecdotally?

power78 6y ago

>I really can't put what I want on my Android phone. To be fair, that is only valid at face value. Yes, you yourself might not be able to do that technically, but it is quite easy and flat out possible compared to an iPhone.

Grimm665 6y ago
Not on many (most?) Android phones. Samsung, Motorola, and LG devices still require many hoops to jump through if it's possible at all. Not all manufacturers are as open to rooting as OnePlus.