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How do you think they will force many thousands of poor people to repay money that they don't have, neither in savings nor in income, while holding on to a mino

How do you think they will force many thousands of poor people to repay money that they don't have, neither in savings nor in income, while holding on to a minority position in government? They're just lying about being strict on TV to make everyone feel better about it. They don't have the capacity or political willpower to follow through. It's been months, it isn't urgent anymore, if they wanted to devise any sort of eligibility checks they would have done it already. But the only real eligibility requirement is being ballsy / desperate / yolo enough to claim it.

imtringued 6y ago
I always had the impression that with these programs that repayment isn't the goal. Yes, the government wants its money back but if say only 10% of the money was "wasted" then you can just consider that money a form of economic stimulus.
- clusterfish 6y ago
  If it was a universal stimulus that's be great, but that 10% is a hundred-million-dollar subsidy to dishonest people and outright fraudsters. Such incentives affect people's behaviour and over long term this might even accumulate to a pretty damaging change in culture that will be very hard to fix. Some people like to complain about regular welfare programs being abused, but at least those have some controls, they're not just a web form with your bank details. Abuse rates will surely be much much higher for CERB, and that was largely preventable.
  - katbyte 6y ago
    I’m ok with it - it allowed many of my friends to survive the pandemic with out too much fuss and any controls put it to prevent abuse would have delayed much needed help
- bregma 6y ago
  This is correct. My wife works as a professional in the field. She says outright and obvious fraud is criminal code territory, and simple dishonesty (like what most amateurs do, just lying to a government official because they think they can get away with it this week and next week doesn't exist) just gets you a permanent denial of any future payments. That means you're cut off from welfare, for example.
oiasdjfoiasd 6y ago
Collecting money is literally what the CRA was built to do.

imtringued 6y ago

I always had the impression that with these programs that repayment isn't the goal. Yes, the government wants its money back but if say only 10% of the money was "wasted" then you can just consider that money a form of economic stimulus.

clusterfish 6y ago
If it was a universal stimulus that's be great, but that 10% is a hundred-million-dollar subsidy to dishonest people and outright fraudsters. Such incentives affect people's behaviour and over long term this might even accumulate to a pretty damaging change in culture that will be very hard to fix. Some people like to complain about regular welfare programs being abused, but at least those have some controls, they're not just a web form with your bank details. Abuse rates will surely be much much higher for CERB, and that was largely preventable.
- katbyte 6y ago
  I’m ok with it - it allowed many of my friends to survive the pandemic with out too much fuss and any controls put it to prevent abuse would have delayed much needed help
bregma 6y ago
This is correct. My wife works as a professional in the field. She says outright and obvious fraud is criminal code territory, and simple dishonesty (like what most amateurs do, just lying to a government official because they think they can get away with it this week and next week doesn't exist) just gets you a permanent denial of any future payments. That means you're cut off from welfare, for example.

oiasdjfoiasd 6y ago

Collecting money is literally what the CRA was built to do.