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> Experimenting with any non-monophasic sleep pattern sounds exhausting and I'm afraid could have serious health impacts I assume you speak for yourself. Bipha

> Experimenting with any non-monophasic sleep pattern sounds exhausting and I'm afraid could have serious health impacts I assume you speak for yourself. Biphasic sleep is not an abnormal occurrence and actually quite embedded in some non-anglo cultures (e.g. late afternoon opening times). Even when occurring naturally, it isn't extravagant to be aware of provisions so that nap time doesn't cause a naturally avoidable interference.[1] [1]: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Best_time_for_napping https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Best_time_for_napping

corty 6y ago
I would guess that biphasic sleep was killed by the common consumption of stimulant drugs like tea or coffee in western culture.
- taeric 6y ago
  I would guess electric lights.
  - corty 6y ago
    That doesn't make sense to me, siesta wastes precious daylight. If anything, the availability of light at night should have promoted daytime sleep, if there was any influence.
    - nijaru 6y ago
      Growing up somewhere with a Mediterranean climate that has hot summers, I’ve always assumed it was to sleep through the heat before a/c was invented.
      - taeric 6y ago
        There is almost certainly something to this. Sun exposure is dangerous.
      - nradov 6y ago
        How can people sleep during the hottest part of the day? I've never been able to manage that.
        eru 6y ago
        You can doze off. And falling asleep is a skill you can train. (I can nap in hotter and brighter conditions during the day than I can tolerate at night.)
    - taeric 6y ago
      Lights help extend the evening. Such that you sort of barrel through a time that would make you tired by just cranking up the light.
- abeppu 6y ago
  That's an interesting guess -- I had read that biphasic sleep was common in the West prior to the industrial revolution, when work for long days away from home was common, and light began to be more available at night. Maybe the right kind of historian is around to answer: Was biphasic sleep also the norm in preindustral societies that had tea or coffee cultures relatively early?
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Depends which kind of biphasic you’re talking about. Afternoon naps were probably killed by stimulants. But the “first” and “second” sleep historically common were probably killed off by the electric light.
tom_mellior 6y ago
> I assume you speak for yourself. Biphasic sleep is not an abnormal occurrence and actually quite embedded in some non-anglo cultures I think you misunderstood the parent, and your reaction seems a bit confrontational. Surely the parent wasn't suggesting that a good night's sleep plus an afternoon nap "sounds exhausting" and "could have serious health impacts". They were talking about patterns that do not include a good night's sleep.
- alessivs 6y ago
  Ah, that's an understandable interpretation, but my response was not meant to be unnecessarily confrontational. If anything, the closing sentence was an admission that, while we seem wired to sleep mono or biphasically and maintain good health, a poorly executed second sleep block had the potential to compromise it, and that there were provisions that in my judgment were worth knowing.

corty 6y ago

I would guess that biphasic sleep was killed by the common consumption of stimulant drugs like tea or coffee in western culture.

taeric 6y ago
I would guess electric lights.
- corty 6y ago
  That doesn't make sense to me, siesta wastes precious daylight. If anything, the availability of light at night should have promoted daytime sleep, if there was any influence.
  - nijaru 6y ago
    Growing up somewhere with a Mediterranean climate that has hot summers, I’ve always assumed it was to sleep through the heat before a/c was invented.
    - taeric 6y ago
      There is almost certainly something to this. Sun exposure is dangerous.
    - nradov 6y ago
      How can people sleep during the hottest part of the day? I've never been able to manage that.
      - eru 6y ago
        You can doze off. And falling asleep is a skill you can train. (I can nap in hotter and brighter conditions during the day than I can tolerate at night.)
  - taeric 6y ago
    Lights help extend the evening. Such that you sort of barrel through a time that would make you tired by just cranking up the light.
abeppu 6y ago
That's an interesting guess -- I had read that biphasic sleep was common in the West prior to the industrial revolution, when work for long days away from home was common, and light began to be more available at night. Maybe the right kind of historian is around to answer: Was biphasic sleep also the norm in preindustral societies that had tea or coffee cultures relatively early?
ashtonkem 6y ago
Depends which kind of biphasic you’re talking about. Afternoon naps were probably killed by stimulants. But the “first” and “second” sleep historically common were probably killed off by the electric light.

tom_mellior 6y ago

> I assume you speak for yourself. Biphasic sleep is not an abnormal occurrence and actually quite embedded in some non-anglo cultures I think you misunderstood the parent, and your reaction seems a bit confrontational. Surely the parent wasn't suggesting that a good night's sleep plus an afternoon nap "sounds exhausting" and "could have serious health impacts". They were talking about patterns that do not include a good night's sleep.

alessivs 6y ago
Ah, that's an understandable interpretation, but my response was not meant to be unnecessarily confrontational. If anything, the closing sentence was an admission that, while we seem wired to sleep mono or biphasically and maintain good health, a poorly executed second sleep block had the potential to compromise it, and that there were provisions that in my judgment were worth knowing.