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If it's possible, every car maker can "optimize towards benchmark". So is your theory that all car makers except Tesla are dumb and cannot optimize their range
by kjksf 6y ago
If it's possible, every car maker can "optimize towards benchmark".
So is your theory that all car makers except Tesla are dumb and cannot optimize their range for EPA tests?
That they are morally superior to Tesla and will sacrifice sales by not optimizing for EPA range but some purported "real world range"?
And in what way exactly do you optimize for EPA test?
I've seen this "explanation" for superior Tesla results many times but somehow no-one actually explains how do you make a battery or electric motor or drag coefficient of the car that is optimized for EPA test but doesn't generalize to regular driving.
- monadic2 6y agoI mean they could be honest and still outperform the rest of the market. If what you say is true, the EPA metric is meaningless and they should report observed efficiency for a certain traffic pattern. Why lie about it?
- justapassenger 6y ago> If it's possible, every car maker can "optimize towards benchmark". Like VW optimizing cars towards benchmark. Doesn't always ends great.
- 10-1-100 6y agoNot sure faking results counts as optimizing cars /shrug
- justapassenger 6y agoThey were not faked. Cars were optimized to behave in a certain way under exact test scenario. They were not producing any fake output data from the sensors, just "optimizing" engine behavior.
- 10-1-100 6y agoAh interesting - I stand corrected. Thanks for explaining!
- Zanni 6y agoThey didn't output fake data, true, but their "optimization" was to only activate emissions controls during testing. That's fraud. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/08/446861855/volkswagen-u-s-ceo-faces-questions-on-capitol-hill https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/08/446861855...
- Brakenshire 6y agoOther manufacturers don’t optimise for the US market, so they’re not going to optimise for the test which is used only in the US.