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"Lauer also presented data on the nature of the violations that NIH has uncovered. Some 70% (133) of the researchers had failed to disclose to NIH the receipt o

"Lauer also presented data on the nature of the violations that NIH has uncovered. Some 70% (133) of the researchers had failed to disclose to NIH the receipt of a foreign grant, and 54% had failed to disclose participation in a foreign talent program. In contrast, Lauer said, only 9% hid ties to a foreign company, and only 4% had an undisclosed foreign patent." Based on this, many foreign researchers that cooperates with the United Stated, and there are several thousands of them, should be severely punished in his/her country of origin. Most researchers in foreign countries cooperate with American research organizations that transfer technology to US the industry. Just for an example, my home country exchanges information about the Amazon with American institutions, and much of that information is passed on to pharmaceutical companies operating around the world. This is a despicable action that targets China in a way that is racist and hypocrite.

Magodo 6y ago
My comment might be reported as flame bait but I have to say this. Imagine the Secret Of the Universe™, is discovered. I'm just saying I'd much rather live in a world where such a secret is entrusted into American hands rather than Chinese ones. My point being, do not be careless in applying ideals and ideologies to peoples (or governments in this case) that do not deserve them
- evidencebased 6y ago
  "My point being, do not be careless in applying ideals and ideologies to peoples (or governments in this case) that do not deserve them" You're literally doing that but for the US. The families of countless people killed by the US in its illegal wars over just the past several decades would disagree with you, if they haven't been wiped out themselves. Same goes for the countless people that starved to death from US sanctions because their government refused to bow to the US empire.
- coliveira 6y ago
  Quite the opposite, in fact if you discover such a secret the best thing to do is to put it out in the open for everyone to see, so that no country can use it as a secret tool against others.
thoughtstheseus 6y ago
How is this racist?
- Glavnokoman 6y ago
  That's because these days everything is racist.
freyr 6y ago
Receiving funding from a foreign government isn't the issue, hiding it is. Do you actually believe that the Chinese government would find it acceptable if U.S. scientists working in Chinese labs hid their ties with the U.S. government?
- coliveira 6y ago
  Are we now going to use the same policies attributed to a dictatorship? Moreover, there is no evidence that his is happening even there.
  - scottLobster 6y ago
    Actually there is evidence that these researches hid their ties to China/foreign governments, that's kinda what the article is about. Requiring disclosure of foreign ties is hardly a new or controversial procedure in democracies or dictatorships. Calling it "racist" is baseless, nonintellectual deflection, as is "well dictatorships do it, so we shouldn't!". Dictatorships also collect taxes and fund their military, should we stop doing those things too? If you're not part of the 50 cent army you certainly are taking pains to sound like it, because your arguments have ~50 cents of effort behind them.
  - freyr 6y ago
    The policy is simple and common sense: If you receive funding from a foreign government, disclose it. The fact that China is a dictatorship does not invalidate this policy. You seem to want it both ways: China is an innocent player that is being unfairly profiled when it suits you, and China is an evil dictatorship with bad policies when it doesn't.
desstap 6y ago
Why is it racist to attack China? How about, “Hey why are you attacking nazi Germany? That’s racist!!“
ipsocannibal 6y ago
If disclosure of a foreign grant receipt is a requirement for working with the NIH and if these researchers knew it and hid said receipt then they should be excluded from further participation with the NIH. Where is the suggestion that only undisclosed foreign ties to other governments is not being examined? Me thinks one doth protest too much on this racism angle which is a standard CCP propaganda tactic.
jjcon 6y ago
Dude you need to stop spamming this thread with accusations of racism - this has nothing to do with race - these tactics are straight from ccp
simplecontainer 6y ago
Chinese government has contributed to the largest concentration camp of muslims, the most death for Americans since Korean War, the loss of liberty for Hong Kong citizens and Tibetans. And we're "racist" to hold them accountable?? I can't believe some of the stuff people are using to deflect blame from China and instead have us focus on some other non important things.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > the most death for Americans since Korean War What does this mean exactly? It can't be literal, since I don't think the Chinese have any blame for Americans eating too many triple-cheeseburgers and having heart attacks (heart disease is the leading cause of death for Americans, but I'm not going to stop eating those delicious cheeseburgers.)
av_engr 6y ago
I think the problem is failing to disclose ties with foreign governments. Scientists, just like any professionals, should be held accountable for any potential conflict of interest. Not saying we should bar scientists from collaboration, but it is important to be conscious about what kind of collaborations are happening and how it affects national security or even information securities between our ally countries. Since we are talking about China, they have been launching programs that "recruits" foreign talents or foreign-trained Chinese talents to participate in technological development in China. However, participant of the program has been reported to partake in intellectual theft, especially sensitive/proprietary technologies [1]. I am giving NIH the benefit of the doubt here since IP theft has been a real problem for the US, especially with technology transfer to China. I don't think this is racist at all because it's a matter of curbing IP thefts and taking a precaution on growing aggression of a country that happens to be 91.6% ethnically Han Chinese people[2]. Source: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

Magodo 6y ago

My comment might be reported as flame bait but I have to say this. Imagine the Secret Of the Universe™, is discovered. I'm just saying I'd much rather live in a world where such a secret is entrusted into American hands rather than Chinese ones. My point being, do not be careless in applying ideals and ideologies to peoples (or governments in this case) that do not deserve them

evidencebased 6y ago
"My point being, do not be careless in applying ideals and ideologies to peoples (or governments in this case) that do not deserve them" You're literally doing that but for the US. The families of countless people killed by the US in its illegal wars over just the past several decades would disagree with you, if they haven't been wiped out themselves. Same goes for the countless people that starved to death from US sanctions because their government refused to bow to the US empire.
coliveira 6y ago
Quite the opposite, in fact if you discover such a secret the best thing to do is to put it out in the open for everyone to see, so that no country can use it as a secret tool against others.

thoughtstheseus 6y ago

How is this racist?

Glavnokoman 6y ago
That's because these days everything is racist.

freyr 6y ago

Receiving funding from a foreign government isn't the issue, hiding it is. Do you actually believe that the Chinese government would find it acceptable if U.S. scientists working in Chinese labs hid their ties with the U.S. government?

coliveira 6y ago
Are we now going to use the same policies attributed to a dictatorship? Moreover, there is no evidence that his is happening even there.
- scottLobster 6y ago
  Actually there is evidence that these researches hid their ties to China/foreign governments, that's kinda what the article is about. Requiring disclosure of foreign ties is hardly a new or controversial procedure in democracies or dictatorships. Calling it "racist" is baseless, nonintellectual deflection, as is "well dictatorships do it, so we shouldn't!". Dictatorships also collect taxes and fund their military, should we stop doing those things too? If you're not part of the 50 cent army you certainly are taking pains to sound like it, because your arguments have ~50 cents of effort behind them.
- freyr 6y ago
  The policy is simple and common sense: If you receive funding from a foreign government, disclose it. The fact that China is a dictatorship does not invalidate this policy. You seem to want it both ways: China is an innocent player that is being unfairly profiled when it suits you, and China is an evil dictatorship with bad policies when it doesn't.

desstap 6y ago

Why is it racist to attack China? How about, “Hey why are you attacking nazi Germany? That’s racist!!“

ipsocannibal 6y ago

If disclosure of a foreign grant receipt is a requirement for working with the NIH and if these researchers knew it and hid said receipt then they should be excluded from further participation with the NIH. Where is the suggestion that only undisclosed foreign ties to other governments is not being examined? Me thinks one doth protest too much on this racism angle which is a standard CCP propaganda tactic.

jjcon 6y ago

Dude you need to stop spamming this thread with accusations of racism - this has nothing to do with race - these tactics are straight from ccp

simplecontainer 6y ago

Chinese government has contributed to the largest concentration camp of muslims, the most death for Americans since Korean War, the loss of liberty for Hong Kong citizens and Tibetans. And we're "racist" to hold them accountable?? I can't believe some of the stuff people are using to deflect blame from China and instead have us focus on some other non important things.

catalogia 6y ago
> the most death for Americans since Korean War What does this mean exactly? It can't be literal, since I don't think the Chinese have any blame for Americans eating too many triple-cheeseburgers and having heart attacks (heart disease is the leading cause of death for Americans, but I'm not going to stop eating those delicious cheeseburgers.)

av_engr 6y ago

I think the problem is failing to disclose ties with foreign governments. Scientists, just like any professionals, should be held accountable for any potential conflict of interest. Not saying we should bar scientists from collaboration, but it is important to be conscious about what kind of collaborations are happening and how it affects national security or even information securities between our ally countries. Since we are talking about China, they have been launching programs that "recruits" foreign talents or foreign-trained Chinese talents to participate in technological development in China. However, participant of the program has been reported to partake in intellectual theft, especially sensitive/proprietary technologies [1]. I am giving NIH the benefit of the doubt here since IP theft has been a real problem for the US, especially with technology transfer to China. I don't think this is racist at all because it's a matter of curbing IP thefts and taking a precaution on growing aggression of a country that happens to be 91.6% ethnically Han Chinese people[2]. Source: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China