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More like radicalization in general. Left wing got similarly radicalized, if not more so. When everybody lives in their own bubble people get pushed to the ext
by stass 6y ago
More like radicalization in general. Left wing got similarly radicalized, if not more so. When everybody lives in their own bubble people get pushed to the extremes :-(
- teunispeters 6y agoThere are no communist activist violent groups, so no not to the same extent. At least none visibly active anywhere reported. That argues that the radicalisation has been predominantly right wing, as there are many active violent fascist groups now, and weren't a few years ago.
- m0zg 6y agoHave you not heard of Antifa somehow? It's a communist activist violent group.
- tarkin2 6y agoJust to clarify, antifa became an issue after trump started quoting a twitter antifa account, which was run by a right wing, white supremacy guy. It is a good example of social media being used to radicalise the right wing, in fact.
- perl4ever 6y agoThat was very recent and people have been talking about antifa for years. Not to suggest it was the first false flag or whatever. But I distinctly remember people ranting about them around the time of the Virginia protests.
- arcseco 6y agoI vaguely remember a story a few years ago about a guy receiving a blow to the head from a bike lock and requiring therapy for potential brain damage from said blow.
- m0zg 6y agoI vaguely remember the leftists cheering, too.
- klyrs 6y agoLet's be clear, that sucks, but it's nowhere near the radicalization we've seen on the right. Boogaloos shooting cops, neo-nazis responsible for numerous synagogue / church / mosque shootings, driving cars into crowds, etc. aren't really comparable to a bike lock to the head.
- vorpalhex 6y agoThe Jewish deli shooting, the Dallas cop shooter... the list goes on.
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoIn what way does anti-fascism imply anything other than anti-authoritarian, least of all pro-communism? This guy I linked below when trying to understand your comment even questions if it can be considered a "group" at all ( "I also question whether antifa can be considered to constitute a “group” at this point in time"), and I agree. Either way, equating far-right violence (which was responsible for every extremist death in 2018) and violence associated with antifa, for example against people like those at Charlottesville, Neo-Nazis, Neo-fascists, and white supremacists, just seems deeply disingenuous to the point of trolling. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-018-0246-x
- m0zg 6y agoYou don't really understand what this is about. The original antifascist movement was about using communism to fight fascism (also known as national socialism, BTW). That is, communist totalitarianism vs capitalist totalitarianism. It was a Stalinist movement. The current "Antifa" pretty much quote The Internationale [1] as their position, without even knowing what it is, or that they are quoting it. This ignorance would be humorous, were it not so dangerous. To quote wikipedia: Antifa (German: [ˈantifaː]), was a militant anti-fascist organisation in Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933. They flew hammer and sickle over their headquarters too [2]. Many of the current members are commies also. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-P046279%2C_Berlin%2C_Liebknecht-Haus_am_B%C3%BClowplatz.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Bundesar...
- Gabriel_Martin 6y agoCan you point out where this purported capitalized Antifa posts their updates? Because right now it seems like you have so many "understandings" about capitalized Antifa that it would be easiest to just get the fundamental things like exactly who you're speaking of instead of asking you to necessarily have to explain it all here.
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- pjc50 6y agoAnti-fascist action has a strong tradition all the way back to 1936 when the fascist getting punched was Oswald Mosely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street It's not exactly recent, but it is pretty much purely reactive.
- klyrs 6y agoYou mean guys like this? https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oakland-police-killings-officially-linked-suspect-in-deputy-ambush-also-believed-to-be-behind-federal-cops-death/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/11/santa-cruz-and-oaklan...
- licebmi__at__ 6y agoGiven the history of "antifa" as a movement, I would argue that against them being radicalized even so in recent times. What I do think is that antifa has become more relevant because of the rise of radical right wing in social media as a bogeyman.
- TechBro8615 6y agoIt wasn’t right wing extremists who were burning churches and police stations and taking over city blocks.
- dvtrn 6y agoBut they sure as shit were shooting up black churches. Or do we not want to talk about it? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
- arcseco 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad ^Also a racially motivated murder that people don't like to confront "Muhammad's goal in Phase One was to kill six white people a day for 30 days (180 per month).". The media is partially responsible for these attacks by stoking racial divisions in the US.
- someguydave 6y agoThe media suddenly becomes super interested in racial divisiveness and pandering to racists who exclusively vote for Democrats around June of a Presidential election year.
- jatone 6y agoyou mean protesting local government not being responsive to the fact people are literally being killed by cops? I don't see any issue with that. its just a building. rebuild it later once you fix the problems.
- jasonlotito 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
- vorpalhex 6y agoRed Guards, MRB and "Defend our Hoodz" in my area alone.
- pessimizer 6y agoNot based on the list shown in the article. The closest to a radical left article is the lowest ranked; and it's about a petition to declare the KKK a terrorist group, which is hardly an exclusively left-wing position.
- klyrs 6y agoShow me the mass murders by leftists in this decade. Because that's what we're seeing on the right. If not mass murders, what's the substance behind your "if not more so"?
- chance_state 6y agoYour leap from radicalization to "show me the mass murders" is strange.
- klyrs 6y agoUpthread context: > More like radicalization in general. Left wing got similarly radicalized, if not more so. This is radicalization on the right: https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-rig... In this thread, the violence I'm seeing attributed to the left is a nonlethal assault, a dude who killed a bunch of cops but didn't demonstrate any specific political motivation, and some attempted firebombings. The claim is "similar if not moreso." I'm not absolving or supporting any of this violence, but bothsideism doesn't appear to be supported by the data. Seeing lotsa downvotes, no actual rebuttals. Where's this dangerously radical left that everybody is so afraid of?
- intended 6y agoThis doesn’t survive challenging- the American, and for that matter global right wing Has been indoctrinated For a long time. In America, The left has only Started coming online since the trump admin. America went through the founding of Fox News, creationism (religion over science victory), the birth to the tea party because the children born of slanted news reporting thought the republicans weren’t extreme enough, all the way down to the Trump election. Breitbart, Steve Bannon, Roger aisles are avowed propaganda outlets aimed at converting people. For the right, science and reason themselves are a threat. They’ve been at war a lot longer than the left even realized how deep the rift was. Around the world, the Fox News playbook has been copied and reason/science based approaches are being pushed back. America’s left wing isn’t even that far left, the emergence of Bernie and like minded politicians is only recent. Antifa was just the past few years. The left has always been reacting, weakly, to the mainstream radicalization and Grass roots organization on the right.