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It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. Are people really so self-centered that they can't understan

It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. Are people really so self-centered that they can't understand that? And the slippery slope argument doesn't hold water because it's very obvious when a good number of people have a problem with it vs one or two people who are trying to be provocative. People are reasonable and if they are telling you something bothers them, it most likely legitimately bothers them.

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luckylion 6y ago
> It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. The name ianwalter offends me, please change it. > And the slippery slope argument doesn't hold water because it's very obvious when a good number of people have a problem with it vs one or two people who are trying to be provocative. How many people do I need for you to change your name because it offends us? Or is it more that I need people you generally agree with for you to consider it an actual issue?
- ianwalter 6y ago
  This is a great example of my point about "one or two people who are trying to be provocative". It's pretty obvious to anyone reading it that you are just explicitly trying to manufacture an issue.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Of course, I'm trying to prove a point, that's why I asked you: how many people do I need to say "me too" before it is an issue? Avoiding the answer makes me believe that your position is essentially "it's an issue if I agree with the people, otherwise it's just provocateurs". That's fine of course, but it's really just "it is whatever I say it is" and all the stuff about feelings, offense and people are just charades because you don't want to say that.
    - ianwalter 6y ago
      No charades, context matters. The context surrounding your question lets me know where you're coming from and that it's not a legitimate question. If I didn't have that context, I might try to learn more about the issue. I also might not since the two scenarios are not equivalent: posting a comment on HN is not the same as stewarding a large community-involved open source project. Again, context matters.
adventured 6y ago
> It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. Your premise actually means no feelings matter and it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. It's self-collapsing and reveals the contradiction in what you're proposing.
- ianwalter 6y ago
  No it doesn't. It just means you can't rely on a single (your) viewpoint when it comes to a large community-involved open source project. It's the equivalent of "works on my machine".

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luckylion 6y ago

> It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. The name ianwalter offends me, please change it. > And the slippery slope argument doesn't hold water because it's very obvious when a good number of people have a problem with it vs one or two people who are trying to be provocative. How many people do I need for you to change your name because it offends us? Or is it more that I need people you generally agree with for you to consider it an actual issue?

ianwalter 6y ago
This is a great example of my point about "one or two people who are trying to be provocative". It's pretty obvious to anyone reading it that you are just explicitly trying to manufacture an issue.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Of course, I'm trying to prove a point, that's why I asked you: how many people do I need to say "me too" before it is an issue? Avoiding the answer makes me believe that your position is essentially "it's an issue if I agree with the people, otherwise it's just provocateurs". That's fine of course, but it's really just "it is whatever I say it is" and all the stuff about feelings, offense and people are just charades because you don't want to say that.
  - ianwalter 6y ago
    No charades, context matters. The context surrounding your question lets me know where you're coming from and that it's not a legitimate question. If I didn't have that context, I might try to learn more about the issue. I also might not since the two scenarios are not equivalent: posting a comment on HN is not the same as stewarding a large community-involved open source project. Again, context matters.

adventured 6y ago

> It doesn't matter if YOU don't think it's offensive. It's about how others think and feel about it. Your premise actually means no feelings matter and it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. It's self-collapsing and reveals the contradiction in what you're proposing.

ianwalter 6y ago
No it doesn't. It just means you can't rely on a single (your) viewpoint when it comes to a large community-involved open source project. It's the equivalent of "works on my machine".