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> you're going to continue to see a decline in the total fertility rate as women shift from casual seeking to relationship/nesting in their 30s and find the mar

by GuiA 6y ago

> you're going to continue to see a decline in the total fertility rate as women shift from casual seeking to relationship/nesting in their 30s and find the market for partners to be much smaller than they would've anticipated These women tend to be wealthier on average, and thus have access to various “artificial” methods for conception. Egg freezing is becoming mainstream.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
True, but there's not that many as a percentage of their age cohort [1], and egg/embryo freezing combined IVF is no guarantee you can carry a fetus to term [2]. Maybe you can afford a surrogate (~$30k-120k depending on the arrangements), but the math continues to work against you as you age. This is the unfortunate medical reality, that you can buy possibilities but not guarantees. The amount of wealth you need to "hack" a family together (biologically and a support system after birth) in older age is significant. [1] https://socwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/fact_2-2010-wealth.pdf https://socwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/fact_2-2010-... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/art/artdata/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/art/artdata/index.html
- eigenvalue 6y ago
  Not only that, but your risk of having a child with autism supposedly increases by more than 3x.
nradov 6y ago
Apple and Facebook now offer egg freezing as an employee benefit.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  I would very much be interested in stats on employees who use this benefit, and if they're unable to have kids in the future regardless of having their eggs frozen, regret their decision to prioritize their career over starting a family. We had a friend over to our home, who earlier in life judged my partner for leaving a career to have children, and could not have a child of their own now. The regret during our conversation was palpable while she watched our children play in our backyard, and frankly it hurt my heart.
- downerending 6y ago
  That's almost freakish. Better to offer a quality of life than lets employees have families.

by GuiA 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago

True, but there's not that many as a percentage of their age cohort [1], and egg/embryo freezing combined IVF is no guarantee you can carry a fetus to term [2]. Maybe you can afford a surrogate (~$30k-120k depending on the arrangements), but the math continues to work against you as you age. This is the unfortunate medical reality, that you can buy possibilities but not guarantees. The amount of wealth you need to "hack" a family together (biologically and a support system after birth) in older age is significant. [1] https://socwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/fact_2-2010-wealth.pdf https://socwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/fact_2-2010-... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/art/artdata/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/art/artdata/index.html

eigenvalue 6y ago
Not only that, but your risk of having a child with autism supposedly increases by more than 3x.

nradov 6y ago

Apple and Facebook now offer egg freezing as an employee benefit.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
I would very much be interested in stats on employees who use this benefit, and if they're unable to have kids in the future regardless of having their eggs frozen, regret their decision to prioritize their career over starting a family. We had a friend over to our home, who earlier in life judged my partner for leaving a career to have children, and could not have a child of their own now. The regret during our conversation was palpable while she watched our children play in our backyard, and frankly it hurt my heart.
downerending 6y ago
That's almost freakish. Better to offer a quality of life than lets employees have families.