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https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ Apple is an advertising company. Google sells android phones and gsuite, as well.

Supermancho 6y ago
> Apple is an advertising company. Primarily, it's a hardware company. Lots of companies have advertising services, this does not make them "advertising companies". If your advertising products disappear and the company would function more or less the same, that's not the primary product in your company's portfolio. Google would be crippled, as advertising is the primary product (fed by data from all the other services it offers, often at a loss). Similarly, most of apple software would be useless if they lost control of their hardware production/control.
- idontevenknow1 6y ago
  Depends on your definition of advertising-company. If you sell eyeballs through ads that means you are an advertising company.
  - typenil 6y ago
    This is an article about monopolies - which are all about scale and market dominance. Yet you've excluded both from your analysis. It doesn't seem to be a good faith argument.
    - idontevenknow1 6y ago
      Faith doesn't matter in an argument. This is a purely logical discussion. If you sell ads, it means you are an ads company. The degree to which you sell ads doesn't factor in to that. I can argue that apple monopolized ads on iOS devices by disabling cookies on safari and removing the targeting capabilities on ad-identifiers. Now the only way to have targeted ads is through the app store. Hope this satisfies your arbitrary 'it should be a monopoly before i discuss it' argument.
      - mpweiher 6y ago
        Good faith (Latin: bona fides), in human interactions, is a sincere intention to be fair, open, and honest, regardless of the outcome of the interaction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith OP wasn't discussing "faith". > If you sell ads, it means you are an ads company. Nope. An <x> company is a company that primarily deals in x. Ford is a car company. Their cars contain computers. Doesn't make Ford a computer company. The cars also have tires. Doesn't make car a tire company. Some cars have leather seats. Doesn't make Ford a leather company, furniture company or upholstery company. > The degree to which you sell ads doesn't factor in to that Sure does. Particularly in the case of anti-trust, which is the topic here.
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Supermancho 6y ago

> Apple is an advertising company. Primarily, it's a hardware company. Lots of companies have advertising services, this does not make them "advertising companies". If your advertising products disappear and the company would function more or less the same, that's not the primary product in your company's portfolio. Google would be crippled, as advertising is the primary product (fed by data from all the other services it offers, often at a loss). Similarly, most of apple software would be useless if they lost control of their hardware production/control.

idontevenknow1 6y ago
Depends on your definition of advertising-company. If you sell eyeballs through ads that means you are an advertising company.
- typenil 6y ago
  This is an article about monopolies - which are all about scale and market dominance. Yet you've excluded both from your analysis. It doesn't seem to be a good faith argument.
  - idontevenknow1 6y ago
    Faith doesn't matter in an argument. This is a purely logical discussion. If you sell ads, it means you are an ads company. The degree to which you sell ads doesn't factor in to that. I can argue that apple monopolized ads on iOS devices by disabling cookies on safari and removing the targeting capabilities on ad-identifiers. Now the only way to have targeted ads is through the app store. Hope this satisfies your arbitrary 'it should be a monopoly before i discuss it' argument.
    - mpweiher 6y ago
      Good faith (Latin: bona fides), in human interactions, is a sincere intention to be fair, open, and honest, regardless of the outcome of the interaction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith OP wasn't discussing "faith". > If you sell ads, it means you are an ads company. Nope. An <x> company is a company that primarily deals in x. Ford is a car company. Their cars contain computers. Doesn't make Ford a computer company. The cars also have tires. Doesn't make car a tire company. Some cars have leather seats. Doesn't make Ford a leather company, furniture company or upholstery company. > The degree to which you sell ads doesn't factor in to that Sure does. Particularly in the case of anti-trust, which is the topic here.
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