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They're trying out the many proposed and proven methods of community management other than armed, poorly-trained cops. Music festivals aren't trying to prove th
by Kye 6y ago
They're trying out the many proposed and proven methods of community management other than armed, poorly-trained cops. Music festivals aren't trying to prove the viability of alternative societal structures. They're different things.
- solidasparagus 6y agoAnd I hope it works. But history says it's going to go poorly and they're going to need to end up with something resembling a police force, even if they don't call it that.
- Kye 6y agoI don't know how your interactions with police have gone, but I've never had them show up when I called, and most accounts I hear are that they don't do anything at best when they do. At worst, they kill someone. Most of what they do is not stuff they should be doing. There's some niche a well-trained police force can fill, but it's a lot smaller than what the poorly-trained forces do now. Almost no one is actually calling for a complete and permanent abolition of police. Just a redefinition of their role.
- solidasparagus 6y agoThe first line of the CHAZ demands: > The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police Also, I would look at the Baltimore police/crime post-Freddie Grey to see how diminished police action leads to much increased crime. What the BPD did was horrifying but so was the rise in crime once they became less active.
- deathgrips 6y agoWith regular assholes you have the right to self-defense. With the police you don't.
- throwaway894345 6y agoWithout police or “criminal justice apparatus” your rights are merely theoretical.
- jessaustin 6y agoIf you feel this insecure, you should purchase firearms and practice using them. Many of your neighbors are doing this.
- throwaway894345 6y agoOr we could keep the police and purchase firearms.
- liability 6y agoWhy not have the government hire people to do that for me? Call it "socialized defense" or something.
- jessaustin 6y agoYour experiences with this may have gone better for you than those of many of your neighbors went for them?
- deathgrips 6y agoAmerican police departments have no duty to protect you. They are law enforcement officers who choose at their own discretion to arrive at your home seven minutes after you dial 911.
- zaarn 6y agoMake it their duty to protect you.
- monocasa 6y agoOn the other hand, rather "diminished police action", the NYPD went on strike for a couple months in 2014-2015 and crime actually went down. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0211-5