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"they were so proud of what was built" Curious, since I can't trust news media to not sensationalize this: What has been built, according to your friend? Hav

by JPKab 6y ago

"they were so proud of what was built" Curious, since I can't trust news media to not sensationalize this: What has been built, according to your friend? Have they set up infrastructure of some sort for housing people? Kitchens, latrines, etc?

staplers 6y ago
An amateur map of infrastructure right on the site: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/16.jpg https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/16.jpg
- rtkwe 6y ago
  There's a more recent map. It's a lot busier, but looks like they're building out. https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/life.html#pid=23 https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/life.html#pid=23
  - Semaphor 6y ago
    Direct link: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/23.jpg https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/23.jpg
    - lioeters 6y ago
      Wow, that's grown up and filled in quite a bit since last I saw the map. They seem ready for a longer haul. Now that they have our attention, I wish them the best in making their voices heard. So this is what democracy looks like.
      - madengr 6y ago
        Do the property owners have a say in this democracy?
        rtkwe 6y ago
        They're only really on public land in the parks and to be honest I bet a lot of the people are pretty happy they're not getting second hand tear gassed every night or having choppers overhead all day.
missedthecue 6y ago
They put up a cardboard sign that said "you are now leaving the USA" and graffitied some surfaces. https://i.imgur.com/f6VHPJ0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/f6VHPJ0.jpg
- djsumdog 6y ago
  I wonder what the end game is. The police is not going to disband. People asking for that don't understand how States work. You cannot have a State without a monopoly on violence. America disbanded police once, in 2003, in a city called Baghdad. That turned out wonderfully. I suspect they'll all just get bored at some point.
  - virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
    It's less about end game than it is simply about practicing a set of ideas, and really just about living life the way they want to live it. Isn't that the essence of America? And will it last forever? No, probably not. That doesn't mean it was a failure or that it wasn't worth doing.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > I wonder what the end game is I don't know, it's like a massive catch-22. People are sick of police abuses, but society needs police to some extent. I agree with much of what the protests are about, but struggle with their solutions.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      But if you look at the numbers, police abuse has gone down. There were 1007 shootings by US police last year. Yes, that's still terribly high, even per-capita, for a high income/developed nation, but police departments have been embracing body cameras. If you watch YouTube channels like Donut Operator where people do police breakdowns, a lot of people .. really do deserve to get shot. Body cameras also make it way easier to get rid of police who are psychos who shouldn't be on the force, and can help push back against police unions. Body cams are great solutions, and we're already seeing departments firing people who turned them off in bad faith (mostly due to these protests). Maybe more money should be diverted to training and wages, and less to equipment and vehicles? I think there were already a lot of positive changes, and this whole set of protests may give us more. By disbanding or defunding the police is an absolutely crazy idea, that I think the vast majority of Americans do not support. I get it. I hated cops in my 20s. I hated speeding tickets and saw friends get busted for pot and minorities get pulled over a lot. But a lot of that changed via policy. Pot is less of an issue in many places, and legal in several states. As far as people calling the cops on people (one of my good friends, black, had a neighbour call the cops on him, while he was jogging in his own neighbourhood, where he was a home owner)... yes that's racism, but not from the police; from a person in his community. That said, I have seen neighbours pulled over and searched in Cincinnati and it seemed like it was totally because they were black in a cheap car. shrug I no longer hate cops. I've seen some do really amazing things for people they didn't need to. Yes there are probably 8%~10% that are psychos and I think most officers wish they could get rid of those people from their ranks too, but hating police just for hating police is childish. All these people calling for disbanding feel like they're just children.
throwaway122378 6y ago
Stole not built
muricula 6y ago
The city is maintaining a row of porta potties, and someone rented one privately a block or so away. Some businesses are opening their restrooms too. As of this evening I saw at least three soup kitchens, two well equipped aid stations, a community garden plot with zucchinis and other food, a row of freshly planted trees, planters of decorative plants which double as barricades, and lots of barricades. Half of that wasn't there yesterday.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  Pretty sure the community garden plot was there before the protests.
- kyleblarson 6y ago
  Bit ironic that they are building a wall to protect their community.

by JPKab 6y ago

staplers 6y ago

An amateur map of infrastructure right on the site: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/16.jpg https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/16.jpg

rtkwe 6y ago
There's a more recent map. It's a lot busier, but looks like they're building out. https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/life.html#pid=23 https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/life.html#pid=23
- Semaphor 6y ago
  Direct link: https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/23.jpg https://capitolhillautonomous.zone/img/23.jpg
  - lioeters 6y ago
    Wow, that's grown up and filled in quite a bit since last I saw the map. They seem ready for a longer haul. Now that they have our attention, I wish them the best in making their voices heard. So this is what democracy looks like.
    - madengr 6y ago
      Do the property owners have a say in this democracy?
      - rtkwe 6y ago
        They're only really on public land in the parks and to be honest I bet a lot of the people are pretty happy they're not getting second hand tear gassed every night or having choppers overhead all day.

missedthecue 6y ago

They put up a cardboard sign that said "you are now leaving the USA" and graffitied some surfaces. https://i.imgur.com/f6VHPJ0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/f6VHPJ0.jpg

djsumdog 6y ago
I wonder what the end game is. The police is not going to disband. People asking for that don't understand how States work. You cannot have a State without a monopoly on violence. America disbanded police once, in 2003, in a city called Baghdad. That turned out wonderfully. I suspect they'll all just get bored at some point.
- virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
  It's less about end game than it is simply about practicing a set of ideas, and really just about living life the way they want to live it. Isn't that the essence of America? And will it last forever? No, probably not. That doesn't mean it was a failure or that it wasn't worth doing.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > I wonder what the end game is I don't know, it's like a massive catch-22. People are sick of police abuses, but society needs police to some extent. I agree with much of what the protests are about, but struggle with their solutions.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    But if you look at the numbers, police abuse has gone down. There were 1007 shootings by US police last year. Yes, that's still terribly high, even per-capita, for a high income/developed nation, but police departments have been embracing body cameras. If you watch YouTube channels like Donut Operator where people do police breakdowns, a lot of people .. really do deserve to get shot. Body cameras also make it way easier to get rid of police who are psychos who shouldn't be on the force, and can help push back against police unions. Body cams are great solutions, and we're already seeing departments firing people who turned them off in bad faith (mostly due to these protests). Maybe more money should be diverted to training and wages, and less to equipment and vehicles? I think there were already a lot of positive changes, and this whole set of protests may give us more. By disbanding or defunding the police is an absolutely crazy idea, that I think the vast majority of Americans do not support. I get it. I hated cops in my 20s. I hated speeding tickets and saw friends get busted for pot and minorities get pulled over a lot. But a lot of that changed via policy. Pot is less of an issue in many places, and legal in several states. As far as people calling the cops on people (one of my good friends, black, had a neighbour call the cops on him, while he was jogging in his own neighbourhood, where he was a home owner)... yes that's racism, but not from the police; from a person in his community. That said, I have seen neighbours pulled over and searched in Cincinnati and it seemed like it was totally because they were black in a cheap car. shrug I no longer hate cops. I've seen some do really amazing things for people they didn't need to. Yes there are probably 8%~10% that are psychos and I think most officers wish they could get rid of those people from their ranks too, but hating police just for hating police is childish. All these people calling for disbanding feel like they're just children.

throwaway122378 6y ago

Stole not built

muricula 6y ago

The city is maintaining a row of porta potties, and someone rented one privately a block or so away. Some businesses are opening their restrooms too. As of this evening I saw at least three soup kitchens, two well equipped aid stations, a community garden plot with zucchinis and other food, a row of freshly planted trees, planters of decorative plants which double as barricades, and lots of barricades. Half of that wasn't there yesterday.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
Pretty sure the community garden plot was there before the protests.
kyleblarson 6y ago
Bit ironic that they are building a wall to protect their community.