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I wonder if Glimpse will be updated to this version

by jarrell_mark 6y ago

daitangio 6y ago
What is Glimpse?
- Tomte 6y ago
  A hostile fork, because some people found the name offensive.
  - enriquto 6y ago
    So many useful reasons to fork a project, and these guys somehow managed to find an absolutely ridiculous one.
    - whisps 6y ago
      Isn't that the beauty of OSS? People can fork projects for whatever reason they want to. They are not at all hostile to GIMP--they encourage donating to the GIMP org--but I think their reasons for an alternative are sound: Glimpse Image Editor is an optional alternative intended to assist users that are offended or made uncomfortable by the "gimp" name, and assist free software advocates that encounter barriers when they recommend the GNU Image Manipulation Program to friends, family, coworkers and employers. However, Glimpse does have some other differences from GIMP which might interest you: We also focus on making the software more "enterprise ready" so it is easier to modify and distribute for schools and workplaces. That means fewer "easter eggs", improved build and packaging tooling/documentation, backported fixes on a known-stable base we support for at least a year, and a more efficient Windows installer. We also plan to have a more predictable release cadence, as that will assist IT departments with their software deployment schedules. https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse
      - jansan 6y ago
        They can do with their time whatever they want, but creating a fork to remove all light-hearted and fun parts of a software feels a bit dumb.
        karatestomp 6y ago
        Even Excel has (had?) a secret flight sim.
        throwanem 6y ago
        Not for a quarter century now, more or less. Whimsy is a wonderful thing, taken in moderation. It has no place in tools meant for serious work.
        lynndotpy 6y ago
        Had -- Microsoft has essentially had a no-easter-eggs policy since at least 2002 as part of their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing They have a blog post from 2005 on the matter: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/larryosterman/why-no-easter-eggs https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/larryosterman... > One of the aspects of Trustworthy Computing is that you can trust what's on your computer. Part of that means that there's absolutely NOTHING on your computer that isn't planned. If the manufacturer of the software that's on every desktop in your company can't stop their developers from sneaking undocumented features into the product (even features as relatively benign as an Easter Egg), how can you be sure that they've not snuck some other undocumented feature into the code.
        Drdrdrq 6y ago
        Ironic, given the tracking built into Windows 10 Home.
        frenchyatwork 6y ago
  - chapium 6y ago
    Glimpse is a better name anyway.
  - dvirsky 6y ago
    To be honest Gimp is a terrible and embarrassing name, that IMO should have been changed years ago by the original creators. This is a world class incredible piece of software with over two decades of legacy, not some toy project.
    - Avamander 6y ago
      Only for a small part of the English-speaking community though.
      - dvirsky 6y ago
        I mostly read it as a reference to Pulp Fiction (which I think was the intent) and that doesn't make it much better.
        buovjaga 6y ago
        You are correct: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ Gimp Gazette 1 January 1997 "At the time, Pulp Fiction was the hot movie and a single word popped into my mind while we were tossing out name ideas. It only took a few more minutes to determine what the 'G' stood for."
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    I thought the name was funny and cool when I first dabbled with Linux as a teenager in the early 00s, sorta added to linux feeling rebellious and more hackery. But nowadays where it has to be used across so many schools because its the only application they can afford I do think it was inappropriate and should have been changed. Then again I think a better future is possible for image editing, cloning Photoshop poorly isn't the only solution to the problem.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      I personally really don't think that some US schools anecdotally not using GIMP because of it's name is worth ruining decades of tutorials and documentation for the entire rest of the world. FWIW, GIMP has been installed on every single educational computer I've interacted with from pre-elementary school to college, in both French (Québec, France, Morocco), Arabic (Morocco) and English (Québec) schooling systems.
      - jansan 6y ago
        I take comfort in knowing that people with common sense are still the majority on this planet, even if social media is suggesting the opposite.
        harry8 6y ago
        “Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.” ― Albert Einstein
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        That wasn't really common sense in that definition of the term, rather it was thinking of advantages versus disadvantages. I don't think that considering the reality of people outside of your own group is "prejudice", yet it is common sense.
        6y ago
  - prokoudine 6y ago
    > A hostile fork As a GIMP contributor, I have to disagree here. Our first interaction was indeed far from being pleasant. However, they now seem to have a much better understanding of just how much effort it takes to rebrand something like GIMP and they now realize the technical implications of rebranding as far as functions in the source code (broken plugins). They also reportedly started moderating their community with regards to how much crap it is allowed to post about the original GIMP project :) Which is also really good to know. Finally, the guy who maintains the rebranding fork has been a regular on our IRC channel since last autumn or so. I think things are slowly getting better. I'm not sure how much time they are going to need to roll out the first release of their own GEGL-based image editor, I'm not even sure if there's even any code to build and see. But personally, I think they'd have far less friction if they started out with that part. All in all, I wish angry people left them alone. I don't think it's in anyone's real interests to have all this shit swinging. And I definitely don't like the idea of GIMP being in the center of this.
    - Tomte 6y ago
      Good to know. My use of "hostile" was precisely informed by that terrible GitHub issue thread and the Twitter shitstorm. I'm glad that sensible minds have prevailed and you've found a way to work alongside each other.
- jandrese 6y ago
  Glimpse is what you get after you send the GIMP through the corporate product management department.
  - CharlesW 6y ago
    "Glimpse" is what you get if you like GIMP but wouldn't be comfortable using software called (for example) "CRIPPLE".
- antjanus 6y ago
  https://glimpse-editor.github.io/ https://glimpse-editor.github.io/ It's an unofficial fork and rather than reading a whole weird thread of people arguing about this fork, read the quick summary they have on their site: "Our contributors have used the GNU Image Manipulation Program for a long time, but like any free software project it has finite resources and has to prioritise some changes over others. That can mean good usability improvements and functional changes the community suggests go unaddressed because other changes take priority. What the Glimpse project aims to do is inject some new ideas, energy, contributions and money into a free software program that most enthusiasts and power users take for granted. We also want to expand the adoption of this great piece of free software, and offer a valid alternative for end users that have become disgruntled with the GNU Image Manipulation Program and are tempted to switch back to using proprietary software. The very first thing we focused on with 0.1.0 was our own rebrand. We chose a new name and commissioned a professional logo, and our efforts to replace the existing “gimp” branding throughout the software and its dependencies is something we continue to make excellent progress on today. However, we want to go further, and we will do that by focusing on usability changes, UI themes, icon packs, and better installation mechanisms. We believe that by making changes and improvements in those areas, that will create a better overall user experience that broadens the appeal of the application and introduces more people to the world of free software. Finally, we also want to make it easier for power users to find and install third party plug-ins. Initially that will take the form of an optional installer containing a selection of plug-ins already, but that is an area we can hopefully develop more over time." https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#why-are-you-forking https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#why-are-you-forking
dvaun 6y ago
According to their FAQ[0] they will periodically incorporate updates. [0] https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#is-forking-the-project-a-duplication-of-effort https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#is-forking-the-proje...

I wonder if Glimpse will be updated to this version

daitangio 6y ago

What is Glimpse?

Tomte 6y ago
A hostile fork, because some people found the name offensive.
- enriquto 6y ago
  So many useful reasons to fork a project, and these guys somehow managed to find an absolutely ridiculous one.
  - whisps 6y ago
    Isn't that the beauty of OSS? People can fork projects for whatever reason they want to. They are not at all hostile to GIMP--they encourage donating to the GIMP org--but I think their reasons for an alternative are sound: Glimpse Image Editor is an optional alternative intended to assist users that are offended or made uncomfortable by the "gimp" name, and assist free software advocates that encounter barriers when they recommend the GNU Image Manipulation Program to friends, family, coworkers and employers. However, Glimpse does have some other differences from GIMP which might interest you: We also focus on making the software more "enterprise ready" so it is easier to modify and distribute for schools and workplaces. That means fewer "easter eggs", improved build and packaging tooling/documentation, backported fixes on a known-stable base we support for at least a year, and a more efficient Windows installer. We also plan to have a more predictable release cadence, as that will assist IT departments with their software deployment schedules. https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse
    - jansan 6y ago
      They can do with their time whatever they want, but creating a fork to remove all light-hearted and fun parts of a software feels a bit dumb.
      - karatestomp 6y ago
        Even Excel has (had?) a secret flight sim.
        throwanem 6y ago
        Not for a quarter century now, more or less. Whimsy is a wonderful thing, taken in moderation. It has no place in tools meant for serious work.
        lynndotpy 6y ago
        Had -- Microsoft has essentially had a no-easter-eggs policy since at least 2002 as part of their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing They have a blog post from 2005 on the matter: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/larryosterman/why-no-easter-eggs https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/larryosterman... > One of the aspects of Trustworthy Computing is that you can trust what's on your computer. Part of that means that there's absolutely NOTHING on your computer that isn't planned. If the manufacturer of the software that's on every desktop in your company can't stop their developers from sneaking undocumented features into the product (even features as relatively benign as an Easter Egg), how can you be sure that they've not snuck some other undocumented feature into the code.
        Drdrdrq 6y ago
        Ironic, given the tracking built into Windows 10 Home.
        frenchyatwork 6y ago
- chapium 6y ago
  Glimpse is a better name anyway.
- dvirsky 6y ago
  To be honest Gimp is a terrible and embarrassing name, that IMO should have been changed years ago by the original creators. This is a world class incredible piece of software with over two decades of legacy, not some toy project.
  - Avamander 6y ago
    Only for a small part of the English-speaking community though.
    - dvirsky 6y ago
      I mostly read it as a reference to Pulp Fiction (which I think was the intent) and that doesn't make it much better.
      - buovjaga 6y ago
        You are correct: https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ https://www.xach.com/gg/1997/1/profile/1/ Gimp Gazette 1 January 1997 "At the time, Pulp Fiction was the hot movie and a single word popped into my mind while we were tossing out name ideas. It only took a few more minutes to determine what the 'G' stood for."
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  I thought the name was funny and cool when I first dabbled with Linux as a teenager in the early 00s, sorta added to linux feeling rebellious and more hackery. But nowadays where it has to be used across so many schools because its the only application they can afford I do think it was inappropriate and should have been changed. Then again I think a better future is possible for image editing, cloning Photoshop poorly isn't the only solution to the problem.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    I personally really don't think that some US schools anecdotally not using GIMP because of it's name is worth ruining decades of tutorials and documentation for the entire rest of the world. FWIW, GIMP has been installed on every single educational computer I've interacted with from pre-elementary school to college, in both French (Québec, France, Morocco), Arabic (Morocco) and English (Québec) schooling systems.
    - jansan 6y ago
      I take comfort in knowing that people with common sense are still the majority on this planet, even if social media is suggesting the opposite.
      - harry8 6y ago
        “Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.” ― Albert Einstein
        sudosysgen 6y ago
        That wasn't really common sense in that definition of the term, rather it was thinking of advantages versus disadvantages. I don't think that considering the reality of people outside of your own group is "prejudice", yet it is common sense.
        6y ago
- prokoudine 6y ago
  > A hostile fork As a GIMP contributor, I have to disagree here. Our first interaction was indeed far from being pleasant. However, they now seem to have a much better understanding of just how much effort it takes to rebrand something like GIMP and they now realize the technical implications of rebranding as far as functions in the source code (broken plugins). They also reportedly started moderating their community with regards to how much crap it is allowed to post about the original GIMP project :) Which is also really good to know. Finally, the guy who maintains the rebranding fork has been a regular on our IRC channel since last autumn or so. I think things are slowly getting better. I'm not sure how much time they are going to need to roll out the first release of their own GEGL-based image editor, I'm not even sure if there's even any code to build and see. But personally, I think they'd have far less friction if they started out with that part. All in all, I wish angry people left them alone. I don't think it's in anyone's real interests to have all this shit swinging. And I definitely don't like the idea of GIMP being in the center of this.
  - Tomte 6y ago
    Good to know. My use of "hostile" was precisely informed by that terrible GitHub issue thread and the Twitter shitstorm. I'm glad that sensible minds have prevailed and you've found a way to work alongside each other.
jandrese 6y ago
Glimpse is what you get after you send the GIMP through the corporate product management department.
- CharlesW 6y ago
  "Glimpse" is what you get if you like GIMP but wouldn't be comfortable using software called (for example) "CRIPPLE".
antjanus 6y ago
https://glimpse-editor.github.io/ https://glimpse-editor.github.io/ It's an unofficial fork and rather than reading a whole weird thread of people arguing about this fork, read the quick summary they have on their site: "Our contributors have used the GNU Image Manipulation Program for a long time, but like any free software project it has finite resources and has to prioritise some changes over others. That can mean good usability improvements and functional changes the community suggests go unaddressed because other changes take priority. What the Glimpse project aims to do is inject some new ideas, energy, contributions and money into a free software program that most enthusiasts and power users take for granted. We also want to expand the adoption of this great piece of free software, and offer a valid alternative for end users that have become disgruntled with the GNU Image Manipulation Program and are tempted to switch back to using proprietary software. The very first thing we focused on with 0.1.0 was our own rebrand. We chose a new name and commissioned a professional logo, and our efforts to replace the existing “gimp” branding throughout the software and its dependencies is something we continue to make excellent progress on today. However, we want to go further, and we will do that by focusing on usability changes, UI themes, icon packs, and better installation mechanisms. We believe that by making changes and improvements in those areas, that will create a better overall user experience that broadens the appeal of the application and introduces more people to the world of free software. Finally, we also want to make it easier for power users to find and install third party plug-ins. Initially that will take the form of an optional installer containing a selection of plug-ins already, but that is an area we can hopefully develop more over time." https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#why-are-you-forking https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#why-are-you-forking

dvaun 6y ago

According to their FAQ[0] they will periodically incorporate updates. [0] https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#is-forking-the-project-a-duplication-of-effort https://glimpse-editor.github.io/about/#is-forking-the-proje...