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Gimp 2.10.20
- kenforthewin 6y agoLove gimp and happy to see new releases. I wish they would change the name.
- CharlesW 6y ago> I wish they would change the name. It's time to pick a name that's not offensive. Far more than the UI, this has hurt the project more than its contributors can imagine. I've given up evangelizing it because of responses I've gotten to the name. Like, call it "Imp". Short, cute, and the icon/mascot practically draws itself. It's not rocket surgery.
- Kye 6y agoI wonder what the overlap is between people who screamed "if you don't like the name, fork it!" for 20+ years and people who lost it over Glimpse doing exactly that.
- jarrell_mark 6y agoI wonder if Glimpse will be updated to this version
- daitangio 6y agoWhat is Glimpse?
- Tomte 6y agoA hostile fork, because some people found the name offensive.
- enriquto 6y agoSo many useful reasons to fork a project, and these guys somehow managed to find an absolutely ridiculous one.
- whisps 6y agoIsn't that the beauty of OSS? People can fork projects for whatever reason they want to. They are not at all hostile to GIMP--they encourage donating to the GIMP org--but I think their reasons for an alternative are sound: Glimpse Image Editor is an optional alternative intended to assist users that are offended or made uncomfortable by the "gimp" name, and assist free software advocates that encounter barriers when they recommend the GNU Image Manipulation Program to friends, family, coworkers and employers. However, Glimpse does have some other differences from GIMP which might interest you: We also focus on making the software more "enterprise ready" so it is easier to modify and distribute for schools and workplaces. That means fewer "easter eggs", improved build and packaging tooling/documentation, backported fixes on a known-stable base we support for at least a year, and a more efficient Windows installer. We also plan to have a more predictable release cadence, as that will assist IT departments with their software deployment schedules. https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse
- jansan 6y agoThey can do with their time whatever they want, but creating a fork to remove all light-hearted and fun parts of a software feels a bit dumb.
- _eht 6y agoI’ve been using Gimp non-professionally for almost eight years now and the latest releases this last couple years have made it such a pleasure to use. Great job team.
- pkulak 6y agoOkay, I was just going to comment on how much I enjoy using Gimp, and the stories I've been hearing over the years about bad usability baffle me. I've really only started using it recently, and it's been an absolute joy to use.
- asutekku 6y agoI think Gimp has the same problem a lot of FOSS seems to have. They are extremely powerful on the right hands but because open source community doesn’t have that much of an UX designers, they are really unoptimal to use and the learning curve is so steep most people won’t bother
- cameronbrown 6y agoMaybe UX designers value their time better.
- yoz-y 6y agoI think it's more of a philosophy problem. In FOSS you have the power and will to get things done, so you don't want to be waiting for sketches or in an endless discussion about details with a designer. Commercial products work on different timelines and have different goals, and ultimately the developers are often not the users so they don't really care one way or other to follow somebody else's design. Ideally you get somebody who is both a great designer and a coder but those are few (Asesprite comes to mind)
- prokoudine 6y ago> I think it's more of a philosophy problem. UX designers want money, and free software projects are rarely a paying gig. GIMP collaborated with a UX architect between 2005 and 2012. That guy was paying for this stuff to his employees out of his pocket when he was able to.
- themodelplumber 6y agoThese are really great changes. I haven't 100% adapted to the latest with Gimp but hope to get more time in for play. The broad changes in 2.10 were driving me crazy on a recent, more serious comic art project, so I reverted to 2.8. Since that time though, I'm getting used to the changes, and the non-destructive techniques are really appreciated, especially compared to the old contingency methods I was using like saving backup layers. Gimp is, to me anyway, almost a completely different app now.
- natch 6y agoA previous version of 2.10 broke so many things for me on macOS it was unusable. I also went back to 2.8, 2.8.22 specifically. The things that broke were tiny little trivial sounding behaviors that would be hard to document in a ticket, or subtle to describe, yet with huge workflow impact. I feel little hope anyone working on the project noticed what they had broken, or will understand what was lost, or would think that any of the tickets, if reported, would merit prioritization, but together they added up to quite a setback. I'm thinking it will take a few rounds of major updates to make it worthwhile for me to try again.
- FlashBlaze 6y agoI began using Gimp since 2.10.14 (upgraded to 2.10.20 today) and I'm loving it. I'm curious as to what did you find frustrating? As compared to the latest version, did you find 2.8 to be more stable?
- benbristow 6y agoNice work! Still think Affinity Photo for £23.99 one-time is a better option if you're on Windows/Mac though. I've easily switched from Photoshop which I've never been able to do with GIMP.
- prox 6y agoYes, especially performance is top notch, and switching is from Photoshop is a breeze.
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- mythz 6y agoNever heard of them, thanks for the reference looks like a great high quality app, just bought it on iPad (was only $9.99 atm). On macOS I use Pixelmator which is one of the best quality Apps I have on macOS, was also only a small 1 time purchase. Edit: Spent the last 1hr playing with it on Windows, gorgeous iOS & Mac App of the year quality Apps like this never exist on Windows, at USD $25 it's a steal (50% off until June 20). Finally a Photoshop replacement quality App for my hobby design tasks that I don't need to maintain a subscription for.
- protomyth 6y agoFor macOS, Acorn is a pretty nice program for those that don't need every bell and whistle and it works (and is updated) fairly regularly.
- jorvi 6y agoYou shouldn’t trust Pixelmator. They basically took every single complaint about Pixelmator, sat on those for years, and instead of improving Pixelmator they pretty much abandoned it and suddenly released Pixelmator Pro with all those features and fixes instead It’s the same as Flexibits updating Fantastical, switching to a subscription model (the app used to be €6 but now is €50/y) and both putting old features behind paywalls and ‘unlock this with premium’ buttons everywhere that you can’t hide I just can’t & won’t trust companies that pull switcharoos like that Affinity are good folks as far as I can see, and haven’t pulled stunts like that yet Edit: well I guess HN loves everything moving to a subscription world. What the hell..
- axegon_ 6y agoGood job! Haven't opened gimp or photoshop in years but looking at it, it seems to resemble photoshop _A_LOT_ as far as UI is concerned and that's probably a good thing: photoshop folks would feel more at home. Specifically what really impresses me is how visually similar it looks(to me anyway), knowing that GTK is powering it. Very impressive!
- maddyboo 6y agoBefore I got into programming as a teenager, GIMP was one of the first "advanced" pieces of software I really dove into. I learned so much just messing around, creating wallpapers, editing screenshots from games, making photo-manipulation "art", logos for imaginary companies (and later even a few real ones). I am so grateful such a wonderful, free, open source piece of software existed for me to play with, I think it's part of what sparked my interest in computing.
- Helloworldboy 6y agoI had basically this exact experience with GIMP, truly life-changing software for me.
- abacadaba 6y agoAutomating some tedious tasks to generate 1000's of image sets with python-fu was one of the things that made me love programming. Also was my introduction to lisp when i tried first with script-fu, but that was mostly incomprehensible to me since im dum.
- justwalt 6y agoIn a similar vein, the thing that got me to try Linux when my previous computing/programming experience was VBScript in high school and Matlab in my ChemE degree, was a bash one liner that renamed and organized by date some photographs that a group of many friends had taken from a vacation trip. I thought it was incredible that that kind of power was available a terminal away, and also a first class feature.
- jhoechtl 6y agoGimp has fallen far behind of what is an advanced software. The GUI is atrocious and it's still using GTK2 which is blurry on my scaled screen. And as it seems there is no way out anytime soon. It was advanded - 10 years ago.
- jimmaswell 6y agoThe GUI is perfectly fine. I use it all the time and it does everything I need. Sometimes I have to look up how to do something but that's true of any program. What exactly is it missing?
- modzu 6y agoprops to the team! but having learned on photoshop i could just never get used to gimp. and me most used functions being smart select and smart fill -- does gimp do that yet? in any case i dropped both for photopea. i still can't get my head around how nicely it works in a browser tab
- superhuzza 6y agoPhotopea is absurdly advanced as a browser offering. Breath of fresh air after using bloated image editing software.
- chadly 6y agoI've used pixlr in the past but I think photopea is my new favorite. I also find it frustrating using gimp after using photoshop for so many years. But I don't want to go back to my windows box just for photoshop.
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- modzu 6y agoif anyone wants to know more, here's a cool talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmaeC_Ma5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmaeC_Ma5A the whole thing is just 2MB of JS written by one guy!
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- siraben 6y agoGIMP is also extensible with Python, Perl or even Scheme[0]. [0] https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Scheme/ https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Scheme/
- Tomte 6y agoFunny, I always just assumed that "gimp" is the English word for German "Gimpel". Turns out, it's not. In English it's a bullfinch. BTW that's my main use for Wikipedia, more than actually looking an article up: find the German Wikipedia page and switch to English or Swedish or whatever to find the appropriate translation of the thing or concept. Especially when a dictionary would give you dozens of translations in different fields, Wikipedia's disambiguation pages are close to perfect.
- sudosysgen 6y agoIndeed, Wikipedia is an absolutely amazing context-aware translation tool.
- vestrigi 6y agoUsing Wikipedia with English as a second language in general is wonderful. If a german article is not complex enough, I continue with the English article which is often more rich in information. On the other way around, if an English article is to hard to grasp for me, I switch to the German article and quickly get the basics. After that, I continue in English if there were still some questions left open. Of course there are topics that are best to be read in German because that’s the language of the people that spark the most interest in that topic. Of course applies to speakers of every other language that speak English as a second language or any other language that is well represented on Wikipedia.
- ktzar 6y agoI just wish it got features that were in Photoshop in the early 00s. Adjustment layers, basic effects as part of the layers ...
- FreakyT 6y agoThe thing that always irritated me about GIMP is that any functionality gaps between it and Photoshop would always be summarily dismissed as “oh no, you’re just used to Photoshop”. It looks like it may have been fixed now, but I distinctly remember GIMP having separate tools for “scale”, “move”, and “rotate”, each of which had slightly different UIs. People didn’t find that confusing because it was “different from Photoshop”, they found it confusing because that’s a terrible UI.
- prokoudine 6y agoI think you are talking about the Unified Transform tool in GIMP. It's been around for 6 years or so, but we only made it part of a stable release two years ago.
- whywhywhywhy 6y agoI really wish that people would see there are possibilities beyond that dated system. Feel like we're doomed to the ideas of the Photoshop team from 20 years ago.
- MrLeap 6y agoRight? Data structure wise, layers are a stack. We've got fancier things we could use to generate images. What about a digraph? A node graph editor for compositing would be pretty cool. It'd get you kind of what you have in blender / unreal / unity's vfx graph / shader graph. I like the push for everything to be non destructive, but it'd be cool if I could, in a reduced input "live" kind of way, see before/after choices -- so I can make adjustments like an optometrist. I make a lot of texture masks for interactive 3d stuff, the digraph approach would be nice if it let me bitpack things in a more complicated way into color channels than what's possible now. Maybe what I'm actually asking for is more photoshop-y like tools in blender?
- gmfawcett 6y agoI found that my GIMP skills increased significantly after browsing through the great tutorial collection, "Meet the GIMP!". I'm not an artist by any stretch, but even just learning how to use layers and layer masks properly made a huge difference. https://www.youtube.com/user/MeetGIMP https://www.youtube.com/user/MeetGIMP
- dvirsky 6y agoA Bloom Filter? Is that a pun or is it a known industry term for such an image filter?
- ronjouch 6y agoWorlds colliding :) . It's referring to image-manipulation technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) , not CS concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_filter
- slashink 6y agoIt's a term for "light bloom" commonly used in rendering and games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) You're right that it's not that related to a bloom filter data structure.
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- lattalayta 6y agoBloom is a standard effect in CGI and game dev to simulate the diffusion effect of really bright light sources that can be witnessed in real-world photography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(shader_effect)
- mkchoi212 6y agoAh what awesome new features/changes! Can’t wait to try these out :)
- teknopurge 6y agolove Gimp. top-notch OSS project, and has been for 20 years. that is all.
- ogre_codes 6y agoBefore I switched to MacOS, Gimp was my goto photo editor and I still have much love for this most excellent piece of software. Even though the interface was a bit clunky in some ways, it was one of the early/ best great apps for desktop Linux. A lot of people forget that the G in GTK stands for Gimp, it is arguably the foundation of much of modern Linux GUI. This makes me want to take a swing at desktop Linux again.
- akandiah 6y ago> A lot of people forget that the G in GTK stands for Gimp Source? It's always stood for Gnome Toolkit. You must be confusing this with the GDK (GIMP Drawing Kit) that's between the library layer and the display server. The GDK is part of the toolkit.
- homarp 6y agoGTK was originally designed and used in the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) as a replacement of the Motif toolkit; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK
- homarp 6y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/19990417052141/http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-01/lw-01-gimp.html https://web.archive.org/web/19990417052141/http://www.linuxw... "GTk (GIMP Toolkit), the windowing toolkit that now lies at the core of the Gnome desktop, was originally written as part of GIMP."
- nwallin 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK#History > GTK was originally designed and used in the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) as a replacement of the Motif toolkit; at some point Peter Mattis became disenchanted with Motif and began to write his own GUI toolkit named the GIMP toolkit and had successfully replaced Motif by the 0.60 release of GIMP.[36] Finally GTK was re-written to be object-oriented and was renamed GTK+.[37] This was first used in the 0.99 release of GIMP. GTK was subsequently adopted for maintenance by the GNOME Foundation, which uses it in the GNOME desktop environment.
- fimdomeio 6y agoAm I the only one that looks at the gimp ui screenshot and feels there's something terrible wrong with the ui. It looks like the whole interface was diseigned for a different text size and now all the proper spacing between elements is gone.
- de_watcher 6y agoLooks like the goal was to cram as much as it can fit, so no fancy spacing.
- vmchale 6y agoLovely! Thank you to all contributors. I use your software.
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- ris 6y agoGotta say I'm really confused about their branches and version numbers these days. New features in a point release seems to be normal for them now.
- brokenmachine 6y agoI was all ready to move away from Photoshop and try Gimp. I needed to add some arrows to some screenshots for some documentation and thought, "this should be easy, now's the right time to try it out". After installing Gimp and googling for 10 minutes, I gave up because all the solutions seemed ridiculously overcomplicated for something so basic as a line with an arrow end. There's no simple way to do something even this basic in Gimp. So it's back to Photoshop or even Paint.net for me. Please somebody tell me I was mistaken.
- boojums 6y agoI had a similar experience. Since I use GIMP a fair amount for work (just programmer art for documentation), I thought it would be simple. After some comments here on HN, I tried Inkscape which worked excellently.
- xvilka 6y agoGIMP is the only program in my Fedora 32 installation that still requires python2. I hope they will get rid of both GTK 2 and Python 2 soon.
- jonnypotty 6y agoThanks Gimp. New UI is a massive improvement