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Being a republican, I'm scared of the leadership choices social platforms are making. Michael Seibel is a pro-Democrat and anti republican and anti-Trump. For

Being a republican, I'm scared of the leadership choices social platforms are making. Michael Seibel is a pro-Democrat and anti republican and anti-Trump. For god sake, allow reddit to have free-speech and don't censor the voices of "silent majority" in the USA. P.S 60M American citizens voted for Trump.

nexuist 6y ago
I don't see why Republicans can't just use another platform like gab or voat if they think reddit has become hostile to them. Reddit being a private company has every right to control what ideologies are promoted on their pages just as you have every right to start your own reddit clone and moderate it however you feel. There's even an open source core with which to start from: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit
- nexuist 6y ago
  I should also mention, that under capitalism nobody is ever entitled to another person's platform. I can't just interrupt a Taylor Swift concert and start talking about whatever issue I want just because she has an audience willing to listen. Why then should I be able to say whatever I want on Twitter when they are the ones paying to host my content?
- qball 6y ago
  Payment processing and hosting aren't treated like phone companies; they're allowed to be discriminatory in who they do business with. Is there a valid reason for that? No. Is the end result of there being no law forcing financial and manufacturers of modern printing presses like those to do business with everyone a threat to the First Amendment? Absolutely, and I'd argue the state has a compelling interest here to force them. Until that changes, "just build your own platform" isn't helpful.
  - nexuist 6y ago
    You don't have to use a hosting service; you can purchase servers by yourself and run your own datacenter without ever involving a third party. Payment processors are not required; you can accept physical checks or digital currency such as Bitcoin without involving a third party processor. A bank isn't allowed to close your account unless you do something illegal, so aren't you safe there? Modern day conveniences like AWS and Stripe are just that - conveniences. You can do what they do on your own. If you manage to find enough paying customers, then there is nothing stopping you from becoming your own manufacturer or payment processor. If you cannot find enough paying customers (in the form of subscriptions or donations), then arguably there is no reason for you to exist anyways.
    - TA0X6 6y ago
      Not sure what part of "payment processors can discriminate" you don't understand. Even if you purchased your own hardware, your ISP, the payment processor you use to pay your ISP, your registrar, the payment processor you use to pay your registrar, etc. are not neutral entities. That makes "host your own" meaningless.
      - nexuist 6y ago
        The payment processor I use to pay my ISP and registrar like...my bank account? To date I have never heard of anyone having their Internet cut off because their ISP did not like their political views. I am pretty sure neonazis are welcome to use all ISPs, from Comcast to Cox.
        TA0X6 6y ago
        >The payment processor I use to pay my ISP and registrar like...my bank account? Even if it's your bank account, you're still using a payment processor. Even if that's your bank, they can also decide not to do business with you. >To date I have never heard of anyone having their Internet cut off because their ISP did not like their political views. I am pretty sure neonazis are welcome to use all ISPs, from Comcast to Cox. Google what happened to Stormfront. Not that I agree with their views, but their ISPs, registrars, etc. told them to pound sand.
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- raxxorrax 6y ago
  > Reddit being a private company has every right to control what ideologies are promoted on their pages just as you have every right to start your own reddit clone and moderate it however you feel. This is the exact same reasoning letter by letter that was used against rock'n'roll at that time by republicans. They also didn't use state censorship, just private companies executing their rights. Just saying.
  - nexuist 6y ago
    And rock and roll won, didn't it? Everyone knows about rock bands and listens to rock music these days, and nobody cares about the RIAA. They rightfully lost the war.
    - raxxorrax 6y ago
      It did with significant backlash at some point, yes. The RIAA still exists and has quite a reach. It didn't loose any war and it is of no importance if you like them or not. The point is that censorship was executed with the help of private corporations to circumvent the societal contract to allow freedom of speech, which includes art/music.
- throwawaypop 6y ago
  The answer seems very immature to me. Just because we have a president which folks hate doesn't mean companies should just go and represent left idelogies. These platforms were built once by folks who believed in freedom of speech and opinions. We are clearly leaving *63M+ people in USA when we make content moderation choices which are left-friendly. I'm not into talking politics. I wish these platforms allow freedom of speech which was one of the founding principles in early days of Internet.
  - nexuist 6y ago
    > These platforms were built once by folks who believed in freedom of speech and opinions. Let's not be silly here, these platforms were clearly built by folks seeking to generate profit, otherwise they would all be non profits. Any ideologies expressed by their founders or corporate marketing are only a byproduct of what is "in" culturally, because that is what makes more money. > We are clearly leaving *63M+ people in USA when we make content moderation choices which are left-friendly Only in America are these choices seen as "left-friendly." In the rest of the Western world, they are seen as "reasonable." I actually do agree that Twitter moderation has a problem with conservative thinking. I think that they should drop the pretense that they exist to cater everyone and be more clear in their rules as to what type of speech will get you kicked out of the circle. We all know Twitter is an echo chamber; the least it could do is make you aware of it instead of leading you on into thinking all of your ideas will be accepted by the system.
tzs 6y ago
> P.S 60M American citizens voted for Trump 63 million. ...and 66 million voted for Clinton, and 8 million voted for third party, write in, or independent candidates.

nexuist 6y ago

I don't see why Republicans can't just use another platform like gab or voat if they think reddit has become hostile to them. Reddit being a private company has every right to control what ideologies are promoted on their pages just as you have every right to start your own reddit clone and moderate it however you feel. There's even an open source core with which to start from: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit

nexuist 6y ago
I should also mention, that under capitalism nobody is ever entitled to another person's platform. I can't just interrupt a Taylor Swift concert and start talking about whatever issue I want just because she has an audience willing to listen. Why then should I be able to say whatever I want on Twitter when they are the ones paying to host my content?
qball 6y ago
Payment processing and hosting aren't treated like phone companies; they're allowed to be discriminatory in who they do business with. Is there a valid reason for that? No. Is the end result of there being no law forcing financial and manufacturers of modern printing presses like those to do business with everyone a threat to the First Amendment? Absolutely, and I'd argue the state has a compelling interest here to force them. Until that changes, "just build your own platform" isn't helpful.
- nexuist 6y ago
  You don't have to use a hosting service; you can purchase servers by yourself and run your own datacenter without ever involving a third party. Payment processors are not required; you can accept physical checks or digital currency such as Bitcoin without involving a third party processor. A bank isn't allowed to close your account unless you do something illegal, so aren't you safe there? Modern day conveniences like AWS and Stripe are just that - conveniences. You can do what they do on your own. If you manage to find enough paying customers, then there is nothing stopping you from becoming your own manufacturer or payment processor. If you cannot find enough paying customers (in the form of subscriptions or donations), then arguably there is no reason for you to exist anyways.
  - TA0X6 6y ago
    Not sure what part of "payment processors can discriminate" you don't understand. Even if you purchased your own hardware, your ISP, the payment processor you use to pay your ISP, your registrar, the payment processor you use to pay your registrar, etc. are not neutral entities. That makes "host your own" meaningless.
    - nexuist 6y ago
      The payment processor I use to pay my ISP and registrar like...my bank account? To date I have never heard of anyone having their Internet cut off because their ISP did not like their political views. I am pretty sure neonazis are welcome to use all ISPs, from Comcast to Cox.
      - TA0X6 6y ago
        >The payment processor I use to pay my ISP and registrar like...my bank account? Even if it's your bank account, you're still using a payment processor. Even if that's your bank, they can also decide not to do business with you. >To date I have never heard of anyone having their Internet cut off because their ISP did not like their political views. I am pretty sure neonazis are welcome to use all ISPs, from Comcast to Cox. Google what happened to Stormfront. Not that I agree with their views, but their ISPs, registrars, etc. told them to pound sand.
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raxxorrax 6y ago
> Reddit being a private company has every right to control what ideologies are promoted on their pages just as you have every right to start your own reddit clone and moderate it however you feel. This is the exact same reasoning letter by letter that was used against rock'n'roll at that time by republicans. They also didn't use state censorship, just private companies executing their rights. Just saying.
- nexuist 6y ago
  And rock and roll won, didn't it? Everyone knows about rock bands and listens to rock music these days, and nobody cares about the RIAA. They rightfully lost the war.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    It did with significant backlash at some point, yes. The RIAA still exists and has quite a reach. It didn't loose any war and it is of no importance if you like them or not. The point is that censorship was executed with the help of private corporations to circumvent the societal contract to allow freedom of speech, which includes art/music.
throwawaypop 6y ago
The answer seems very immature to me. Just because we have a president which folks hate doesn't mean companies should just go and represent left idelogies. These platforms were built once by folks who believed in freedom of speech and opinions. We are clearly leaving *63M+ people in USA when we make content moderation choices which are left-friendly. I'm not into talking politics. I wish these platforms allow freedom of speech which was one of the founding principles in early days of Internet.
- nexuist 6y ago
  > These platforms were built once by folks who believed in freedom of speech and opinions. Let's not be silly here, these platforms were clearly built by folks seeking to generate profit, otherwise they would all be non profits. Any ideologies expressed by their founders or corporate marketing are only a byproduct of what is "in" culturally, because that is what makes more money. > We are clearly leaving *63M+ people in USA when we make content moderation choices which are left-friendly Only in America are these choices seen as "left-friendly." In the rest of the Western world, they are seen as "reasonable." I actually do agree that Twitter moderation has a problem with conservative thinking. I think that they should drop the pretense that they exist to cater everyone and be more clear in their rules as to what type of speech will get you kicked out of the circle. We all know Twitter is an echo chamber; the least it could do is make you aware of it instead of leading you on into thinking all of your ideas will be accepted by the system.

tzs 6y ago

> P.S 60M American citizens voted for Trump 63 million. ...and 66 million voted for Clinton, and 8 million voted for third party, write in, or independent candidates.