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Saying “All Lives Matter” to Siri Now Redirects You to Blacklivesmatter.com
- rvz 6y agoOne of the greatest things in a democratic society is the right to protest about issues like this, which is very good for a healthy debate. However when Tim Cook defended the decision to side with China and to censor and suppress the pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong [1] and then support this one, it is quite extraordinary for this double standards from Apple to pick and choose their causes when both are exercising their right to protest against an injustice. A very hypocritical one-sided stance from Apple. [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/03/apple-bans-app-used-by-hong-kong-protestors/ https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/03/apple-bans-app-used-by-... [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/11/tim-cook-defends-removal-hkmaplive-from-app-store/ https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/11/tim-cook-defends-remova...
- RIMR 6y agoThat's because you've made the mistake of thinking a multibillion dollar corporation can be legitimately altruistic or an ally to activists. Apple hasn't acted hypocritically at all. Every decision they have made was calculated to fulfull their primary goal: generating profit for shareholders.
- ponker 6y agoIt's not hypocritical at all, they don't need anything from Alabama rednecks, they do need the support of the Chinese government. The consistent principle behind both decisions is "Look out for Number One"
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- Infernal 6y agoHey you never know, one of those Alabama rednecks could grow up to be the CEO of Apple one day! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Cook#Early_life_and_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Cook#Early_life_and_educat...
- dang 6y agoPlease let's not have regional slurs here on top of everything else.
- 0898 6y ago"All Lives Matter" is Racism 1.0 thinking. But Racism 2.0 has been pushed out and – in some ways – it's a forced upgrade. Racism 1.0 was widely understood: racists were bad people who made monkey chants on football terraces. It was "the nice people" vs "the mean people". If we "raised awareness", maybe one day it would be "stamped out". Racism 2.0 is more complex. It's structural and systemic, so for the first time a lot of of white progressives are discovering that we're part of the problem. Saying "I don't see colour" is suddenly the wrong thing to say. For a long time it was the correct thing to say and think. People are having to re-learn stuff they thought they already knew and not everybody is thrilled. Worse, Racism 2.0 is closed source. The code isn't really published anywhere, at least not in simple language. You have to kind of piece it together yourself from lists of "resources" thrown together by activists, some of whom have opaque agendas. It's not as simple as it used to be, and it's not surprising that some people are confused.
- ponker 6y agoThe "closed source" phenomenon is real. For someone who is not black, the risk/reward profile of participating in this conversation is extraordinarily poor. I'm not stepping in the muck, "Your Silence is Complicity" placards notwithstanding.
- whymauri 6y agoI've actually found it extraordinarily easy to talk about anti-racism without imposing any risk on my career, health, or future.
- ponker 6y agoSure, but others clearly haven't. Not knowing in advance which category you fall into, the smart move is not to play.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoI've been able to do it as well, but I don't think it's fair to call it easy. It requires self-control to avoid getting heated and saying something inelegantly, and attentiveness to make sure you avoid pushing any hot buttons. There's no way you can talk as freely and easily about anti-racism as you can about, like, food or sports.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoThis is extremely concerning. People's hardware should not be remotely edited to broadcast political slogans, even if this particular slogan is a good one.
- yawaramin 6y agoPeople are free to not use Apple hardware.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoI don't think that really mitigates the concern. If my microwave started saying "support our troops!", I wouldn't be comforted by the fact that I can throw it out and get a different one.
- arilotter 6y agoBut your microwave doesn't connect to an online service that you don't pay for. Nobody is forcing you to use Siri, or any of Apple's online services. It's more similar to a website you use saying "support our troops." If you don't like using an always-online constantly updated service, then you have the option to not use it. You pay for the convenience of Siri's knowledge and functionality by giving up any control over how the system responds and acts. You can always turn your internet connection off when you use Siri, and thus only use it for things like playing and pausing music.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoWell, it doesn't yet. I suppose my smart refrigerator would have been a better example. As more and more components of our lives get a screen and Wifi connection, we're going to need better norms than "online services can do whatever they want".
- sparkywolf 6y agoThat is not at all what is happening here. They are not 'remotely editing' your hardware any more than a corporate website who puts a support banner on their website for some cause. Siri, much like websites, is a service. Like a website, you are free to not use it if you so choose. Nothing has changed on your device, and if anything this is less of a feature than a banner on a website because you have to specifically invoke these actions.
- armatav 6y agoI feel like your technology should be simply a set of tools that assist you. If you’re a “bad” person, logically your technology should help you be bad. And if you’re good, the same. But never would I want my technology to inform me what is good or bad, or permit me one path over the other. That is my decision as the human in the relationship.
- mc32 6y agoYeah I wouldn’t be surprised that one day you search for 3D printing something “bad” (as defined by someone) gets you redirected to advocacy groups against something. Search for abortion resources, search for 3D printing a firearm, search for pirated movies, search for being anonymous in a protest... all get redirected to the right way to think of things. The FBI should just go ahead and ask them for the good of the people to redirect all terms they categorize as terroristic in nature to their anti radicalization resources...
- knolax 6y agoThat already happens with google and topics such as self harm or racism. Googling "I hate X" is going to turn up multiple results like "History of Discrimination Against X" and no articles that actually express hatred for X.
- wadkar 6y agoIt makes doing research using the search giant mostly useless.
- vertex-four 6y agoThat's because nobody says "I hate X" because they would, rightfully, be ignored. It's not a useful statement to try and publish and get to the top of Google. I just tried a few dogwhistle phrases and it's not hard to find people legitimately espousing these views. Also: you can very easily find hate groups and where they hang out on the internet through Google. You'll also, correctly, find adequate warning that these groups are probably not places you want to be.
- bra-ket 6y agowhat's up with this slavish support for BLM, a violent racist organization that instigates riots, looting and defunding of police? the unquestioning fanaticism everywhere really reminds me Nazification of Germany in 1930s
- mcfly1985 6y agoThe BLM protests are incredibly racist.
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- durnygbur 6y agoI'm really tired of this American centric hysteria. The world doesn't care. Please resolve this domestically. Yes I'm aware of the Atlantic slave trade - it was despicable and shameful.
- falcolas 6y agoAmerica isn't the only place that the Atlantic slave trade occurred. It's not the only place where blacks (and others, like Muslims) have been/are persecuted in greater numbers than the "indigenous" populations.
- durnygbur 6y ago> It's not the only place where blacks (and others, like Muslims) Ever heard of Arab slave trade?
- falcolas 6y agoHence my attempt (perhaps insufficient) to not say that "only" Black lives matter in this case. I'm also not infering that the BLM movement has been saying anything like that in the first place.
- dependenttypes 6y agoArab slave trade does not refer to arabs being slaves but rather to people from north africa, south europe, and eastern europe being traded - so, caucasians.
- durnygbur 6y agoYes - Arabs (predominantly Muslims) are responsible for slave trade comparable in magnitude to Atlantic slave trade.
- downerending 6y agoNot sure Native Americans would agree with that.
- throw7 6y agoOh Tim... I beseech thee, please stop with your divine virtue signaling from upon high.
- mlang23 6y agoWikipedia says there has been a poll in august 2015 regarding ALM. And "78% of likely American voters said that the statement All Lives Matter was "close[r] to [their] own" point of view than was Black Lives Matter. Yet, everyone seems to agree that ALM is now a racist move? I am racist if I believe that all people should be treated equally? Those that utter the phrase are accused of subtly trying to transport a message which is anti-black? The longer I read about it, the more I hate identity politics. If I honestly believe that BLM is to restricted a phrase, I am now being accused of being racist because I dont explicitly support BLM? This is madness. Why do activists persue radical and extremist paths which eventually reduces the support they get from the political middle?
- thirtythree 6y agoThere's a type of person who has the aim of dividing other people. Arguing over black lives matter Vs sll lives matter is just a divisive tactic. The correct answer to both is "yes, and [what's the most important thing we need to do right now?]"
- dole 6y agoALM was still new, unknown and misunderstood/misidentified in 2015, not to mention the poll was sourced from Rasmussen, a right-leaning polling company.
- scamper 6y agoI’ll assume you’re not intentionally misunderstanding ALM vs. BLM. ALM is the base assumption that we all agree with. But imagine if we were in our happy ALM world, but “B” kept getting shat on. BLM is a response to that, to say, “Hey, BLM too!” If it helps, think of it as an asterisk. “*BLM too.” BLM is not exclusive, it’s an interjection. Also, these thoughts aren’t mine (though they were obvious to me from the start), they’re fully Googleable.
- mlang23 6y agoNo, I am not intentionally misunderstanding something. How do you even do that? But I still done get the word wrestling. From my POV, ALM is not exclusive. But if someone accuses me of being racist just because I am using a phrase that has somehow been declared unwanted by a select few, all they are achieving is that they reduce my willingness to support their rallies. Language police is horrible. I know it from first hand. I am blind. And since about 10 years or so, I notice that more and more people feel like they are not allowed to use the word blind while I am around. It is pretty clear why they do that. They are afraid of stepping on someones toes and being shunted for that. Now, all that has been achieved by this is that people feel more awkward around me, because they no longer know how to talk about my condition. They find all sorts of phrases to make sure they never mention the supposedly bad word. However, fuck it, I AM BLIND. Policing the language does not improve my situation at all. In fact, it worsens it.