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Daily new deaths have been steadily falling even as states continue to ease or eliminate restrictions [0]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

by ac29 6y ago

Daily new deaths have been steadily falling even as states continue to ease or eliminate restrictions [0]: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ This article seems to completely ignore that, instead focusing on positive test results, even though the vast majority of infections are mild or even completely asymptomatic. If anything, America is giving up on the breathless projections of mass die off that aren't supported by reality.

nkozyra 6y ago
Sort of. Florida has seen a consistent uptick in the last week. Some other states are seeing a bounce. I will say that 100k+ deaths is nothing to treat so trivially.
- bagacrap 6y ago
  Treatment of the coronavirus has been anything but trivial. The monetary cost per year of life saved has been out of line with that of any other intervention for any other disease or threat to human life.
matwood 6y ago
Deaths are a lagging indicator though. Daily infections are have stopped falling and are slowly creeping back up. Hopefully it’s just noise or increased testing.
cma 6y ago
Deaths lag infections. Some increase in cases may be increase in test capacity etc., but to the extent infections are increasing and we haven't come up with much better treatment protocols, we should see an increase in death. One hope would be with outdoor exposure being more prevalent now relative to cramped indoor recirulating air exposure, exposure dose may be lower and result in better outcomes per infection. I don't know if there are any studies yet on how big of a difference that can make though.
mdturnerphys 6y ago
That drop in daily new cases is due to a drop in NYC and neighboring areas. When you remove that area the daily cases shows an upward trend.
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n9 6y ago
Recalibrate your assessment with the 14-21 day incubation rate factored in and with a critical eye on states like Florida, who are actively trying to minimize reported cases/deaths.
- Trasmatta 6y ago
  Source on Florida trying to actively minimize cases / deaths? Also, I thought the incubation period was more like 3-14 days, not 14-21?
  - n9 6y ago
    Florida has restricted test availability until mid May, had fired a data scientist who contends they are juking their numbers and has been (along with several other states) not counting deaths of people with covid symptoms as covid if the patients were not tested while living. 21 days indicates the incubation period plus adequate time for an infected person to become ill enough to seek testing or treatment. Cutting the number at 14 is a way to minimize assessment of impact.
  - matwood 6y ago
    There has been a lot of confusion if FL does/will list deaths from 'snowbirds'. IMO, this highlights the weakness of poor federal oversight and leadership in the pandemic. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-count-of-coronavirus-deaths-is-missing-some-cases/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-cou...
    - caseysoftware 6y ago
      According to CDC policy, a person's state of residence is where their death should be reported. That mitigates the likelihood of double counting, etc. Unfortunately, that does create a delay but that's neither a new nor deceptive practice.
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nikofeyn 6y ago
use that same site that you linked to and view countries like south korea. ask yourself, why are these graphs so different? the answer is that america gave up from the beginning. that much is clear from the graphs. other countries, like south korea, didn't just flatten the curve, they eliminated it. a total of 100,000+ deaths is a mass die off. in the united states, out of every 100,000 people, 35 have died. and it's likely more because the united states has manipulated death numbers by underreporting them. in south korea, out of every 100,000, only 0.5 people have died. by those numbers alone, the u.s.' handling of the virus is 70 times worse. i'm sick and tired of people like you spreading misinformation and shrugging this thing off like it hasn't been a big deal. it hasn't been that big of a deal in countries that have handled it. that does not include the united states.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
> Daily new deaths have been steadily falling even as states continue to ease or eliminate restrictions Not in Utah.
dehrmann 6y ago
Deaths is a tricky metric because the first wave more heavily impacted people who were at-risk (think nursing home deaths). Now, if most people have mild infections, what death rate are will willing to tolerate? It's definitely more than zero. Was Sweden's big mistake how it handled migrant communities and nursing homes?

by ac29 6y ago

nkozyra 6y ago

Sort of. Florida has seen a consistent uptick in the last week. Some other states are seeing a bounce. I will say that 100k+ deaths is nothing to treat so trivially.

bagacrap 6y ago
Treatment of the coronavirus has been anything but trivial. The monetary cost per year of life saved has been out of line with that of any other intervention for any other disease or threat to human life.

matwood 6y ago

Deaths are a lagging indicator though. Daily infections are have stopped falling and are slowly creeping back up. Hopefully it’s just noise or increased testing.

cma 6y ago

Deaths lag infections. Some increase in cases may be increase in test capacity etc., but to the extent infections are increasing and we haven't come up with much better treatment protocols, we should see an increase in death. One hope would be with outdoor exposure being more prevalent now relative to cramped indoor recirulating air exposure, exposure dose may be lower and result in better outcomes per infection. I don't know if there are any studies yet on how big of a difference that can make though.

mdturnerphys 6y ago

That drop in daily new cases is due to a drop in NYC and neighboring areas. When you remove that area the daily cases shows an upward trend.

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n9 6y ago

Recalibrate your assessment with the 14-21 day incubation rate factored in and with a critical eye on states like Florida, who are actively trying to minimize reported cases/deaths.

Trasmatta 6y ago
Source on Florida trying to actively minimize cases / deaths? Also, I thought the incubation period was more like 3-14 days, not 14-21?
- n9 6y ago
  Florida has restricted test availability until mid May, had fired a data scientist who contends they are juking their numbers and has been (along with several other states) not counting deaths of people with covid symptoms as covid if the patients were not tested while living. 21 days indicates the incubation period plus adequate time for an infected person to become ill enough to seek testing or treatment. Cutting the number at 14 is a way to minimize assessment of impact.
- matwood 6y ago
  There has been a lot of confusion if FL does/will list deaths from 'snowbirds'. IMO, this highlights the weakness of poor federal oversight and leadership in the pandemic. https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-count-of-coronavirus-deaths-is-missing-some-cases/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/11/floridas-cou...
  - caseysoftware 6y ago
    According to CDC policy, a person's state of residence is where their death should be reported. That mitigates the likelihood of double counting, etc. Unfortunately, that does create a delay but that's neither a new nor deceptive practice.
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nikofeyn 6y ago

use that same site that you linked to and view countries like south korea. ask yourself, why are these graphs so different? the answer is that america gave up from the beginning. that much is clear from the graphs. other countries, like south korea, didn't just flatten the curve, they eliminated it. a total of 100,000+ deaths is a mass die off. in the united states, out of every 100,000 people, 35 have died. and it's likely more because the united states has manipulated death numbers by underreporting them. in south korea, out of every 100,000, only 0.5 people have died. by those numbers alone, the u.s.' handling of the virus is 70 times worse. i'm sick and tired of people like you spreading misinformation and shrugging this thing off like it hasn't been a big deal. it hasn't been that big of a deal in countries that have handled it. that does not include the united states.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

> Daily new deaths have been steadily falling even as states continue to ease or eliminate restrictions Not in Utah.

dehrmann 6y ago

Deaths is a tricky metric because the first wave more heavily impacted people who were at-risk (think nursing home deaths). Now, if most people have mild infections, what death rate are will willing to tolerate? It's definitely more than zero. Was Sweden's big mistake how it handled migrant communities and nursing homes?