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It so happens that whenever a country amasses more wealth than the US, they are maligned and considered evil. It happened in the 80s with Japan, and it is now h

It so happens that whenever a country amasses more wealth than the US, they are maligned and considered evil. It happened in the 80s with Japan, and it is now happening with China. Except this time, the United States is broke. The US will Balkanize before anything happens to China.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Did it happen in the 80s? There was certainly anti-Japanese sentiment, I've seen the people smashing up Toyotas, but as far as I can tell nobody seriously proposed that Japan was a comparable threat to the Soviet Union.
s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
It's probably the concentration camps, organ harvesting, and various other human rights violations, rather than the accumulation of wealth. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducation-camps-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducati... https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-e... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/04/757089868/fentanyl-as-a-dark-web-profit-center-from-chinese-labs-to-u-s-streets https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/04/7570898...
- sametmax 6y ago
  There are many countries that do such things, but the US selectively chose who are the ennemy du jour, and most are not tagged as such. In fact, some of them are friends with the US. What's more, I recall the US in the last 2 decades: - went to a war by lying about WMD and against the entire world (at least the world represented by the UN) will, killing thousands - deployed mass surveillance of its own people, introduced bypasses to Habeas corpus and legalized torture using the Patriot Act - elected a man that is at the center of so many Clinton-size scandals in a row it became the new normal Now, I don't even begin to claim I have a superior country, mine has done many terrible things. But let's not pretend the US (or any other superpower's) behavior has anything to do with morality. It's either naive or dishonest. However, labelling everything with "war" is, indeed, a very American thing to do.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    Whataboutism, I simply stated ongoing actions by the CCP that probably influence people to view them as evil. It's up for people to decide what they view as acceptable, the history of every country is for the most part transparent these days. Laundry listing things other countries do (I disagree they come close to the atrocities committed by the CCP) is not a great defense. I listed CURRENT atrocities being committed by the CCP right now, you picked from our entire history that we as Americans have already expressed outrage (WMD's, etc) I even left out surveillance because all countries seem to be spying on their citizens, though the CCP goes a lot further with no accountability because it's a dictatorship.
- 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
  No country is perfect, especially the United States. How many war crimes have been committed in the last 50 years? China is not the enemy. We could learn a lot of positive things from them.
  - sametmax 6y ago
    China is in competition with a lot of countries, and in a race for power. And it is a bloody dictature. That's not the point. The point is: why does the US has to formulate systematically its antagonist positions as a War? Given they have the biggest army in the world, this is the best way to have the most violent resolution of this antagonism.
    - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
      That is due to the military industrial complex, which incentivizes the use of the American war machine.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Did it happen in the 80s? There was certainly anti-Japanese sentiment, I've seen the people smashing up Toyotas, but as far as I can tell nobody seriously proposed that Japan was a comparable threat to the Soviet Union.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago

It's probably the concentration camps, organ harvesting, and various other human rights violations, rather than the accumulation of wealth. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducation-camps-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducati... https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-executed-for-their-organs-former-hospital-worker-says/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/01/chinese-dissidents-are-being-e... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/04/757089868/fentanyl-as-a-dark-web-profit-center-from-chinese-labs-to-u-s-streets https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/09/04/7570898...

sametmax 6y ago
There are many countries that do such things, but the US selectively chose who are the ennemy du jour, and most are not tagged as such. In fact, some of them are friends with the US. What's more, I recall the US in the last 2 decades: - went to a war by lying about WMD and against the entire world (at least the world represented by the UN) will, killing thousands - deployed mass surveillance of its own people, introduced bypasses to Habeas corpus and legalized torture using the Patriot Act - elected a man that is at the center of so many Clinton-size scandals in a row it became the new normal Now, I don't even begin to claim I have a superior country, mine has done many terrible things. But let's not pretend the US (or any other superpower's) behavior has anything to do with morality. It's either naive or dishonest. However, labelling everything with "war" is, indeed, a very American thing to do.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  Whataboutism, I simply stated ongoing actions by the CCP that probably influence people to view them as evil. It's up for people to decide what they view as acceptable, the history of every country is for the most part transparent these days. Laundry listing things other countries do (I disagree they come close to the atrocities committed by the CCP) is not a great defense. I listed CURRENT atrocities being committed by the CCP right now, you picked from our entire history that we as Americans have already expressed outrage (WMD's, etc) I even left out surveillance because all countries seem to be spying on their citizens, though the CCP goes a lot further with no accountability because it's a dictatorship.
0x8BADF00D 6y ago
No country is perfect, especially the United States. How many war crimes have been committed in the last 50 years? China is not the enemy. We could learn a lot of positive things from them.
- sametmax 6y ago
  China is in competition with a lot of countries, and in a race for power. And it is a bloody dictature. That's not the point. The point is: why does the US has to formulate systematically its antagonist positions as a War? Given they have the biggest army in the world, this is the best way to have the most violent resolution of this antagonism.
  - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
    That is due to the military industrial complex, which incentivizes the use of the American war machine.