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Not replying to rewoi but asking an open question: you are so many ppl saying this? Is the consensus really that covid19 is gone? like, really? we are way way

Not replying to rewoi but asking an open question: you are so many ppl saying this? Is the consensus really that covid19 is gone? like, really? we are way way below herd immunity and Rt is still around 1.0 in most states, even before the reopening and protests start showing. What am I missing?

NDizzle 6y ago
Probably because of all of the talk about how the riots/protests are more important than covid19. Please keep social distancing and sheltering in place, unless you are rioting/protesting. You can't have it both ways.
- dqv 6y ago
  There was always an implicit "if you can't social distance, at least cover your face". This was my biggest gripe with the back-to-work protesters: virtually none of them wearing masks or even covering their faces. They had a point, but it was drowned out by defiance.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Few people think the disease has magically disappeared, but many are beginning to accept the current situation as the status quo, and are increasingly unwilling to accept extreme social costs to make it better. (Which isn't to say people won't accept any costs; I think most people are smart enough to realize that their area isn't immune from a disastrous spike.)
matthewdgreen 6y ago
You aren’t missing anything. There has been a concerted effort to move COVID-19 lower on the priority list so that people would open up. But it’s still just as infectious as it was in February and March, and cases are starting to surge in a number of southern and western states where lockdowns ended earliest.
dqv 6y ago
It depends on who you ask. Some people believe it to be a sort of sacrifice i.e. it's worth getting sick and possibly dying for a social cause. That, I think, is the same sentiment represented by the business closure protesters. Just different social causes. Many people forgot when the news cycle told them to forget. I think it's important to note that one group of protesters is still taking SARS-CoV-2 more seriously than another group of protesters[0]. [0]: https://i.imgur.com/isF7i7T.jpg https://i.imgur.com/isF7i7T.jpg
- kspacewalk2 6y ago
  I've never heard anyone argue that it's a "sacrifice", and one worth making at that. Are you sure you're not just misrepresenting a view you dislike? I have heard, and agree wholeheartedly, with a view that this has never been about lives vs. economy, because worsening economic conditions have a predictable cost in human lives. It's actually a tradeoff between lives lost to covid and lives lost to losing health insurance, cancelled medical procedures, suicide, etc. And it is not clear to me at all that either choice will clearly result in fewer deaths.
  - dqv 6y ago
    > I've never heard anyone argue that it's a "sacrifice", and one worth making at that. Are you sure you're not just misrepresenting a view you dislike? In which case? Floyd protesters: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/health/pandemic-protesters-covid-risk-floyd-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/health/pandemic-protesters-co... In the case with the Floyd protesters, it's more abstract, but the same sentiment is there. I'd have to go back through my feed to find the specific examples of people explicitly saying they are okay with the possibility of dying from coronavirus. Back-to-workers: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/23/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-bad-economy-worse-coronavirus/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/23/texas-lt-gov-dan-pat... > "No one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?' And if that's the exchange, I'm all in," he said. "And that doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that. > "I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me ... that what we all care about and what we all love more than anything are those children," he added. "And I want to, you know, live smart and see through this, but I don't want to see the whole country to be sacrificed, and that's what I see."

NDizzle 6y ago

Probably because of all of the talk about how the riots/protests are more important than covid19. Please keep social distancing and sheltering in place, unless you are rioting/protesting. You can't have it both ways.

dqv 6y ago
There was always an implicit "if you can't social distance, at least cover your face". This was my biggest gripe with the back-to-work protesters: virtually none of them wearing masks or even covering their faces. They had a point, but it was drowned out by defiance.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Few people think the disease has magically disappeared, but many are beginning to accept the current situation as the status quo, and are increasingly unwilling to accept extreme social costs to make it better. (Which isn't to say people won't accept any costs; I think most people are smart enough to realize that their area isn't immune from a disastrous spike.)

matthewdgreen 6y ago

You aren’t missing anything. There has been a concerted effort to move COVID-19 lower on the priority list so that people would open up. But it’s still just as infectious as it was in February and March, and cases are starting to surge in a number of southern and western states where lockdowns ended earliest.

dqv 6y ago

It depends on who you ask. Some people believe it to be a sort of sacrifice i.e. it's worth getting sick and possibly dying for a social cause. That, I think, is the same sentiment represented by the business closure protesters. Just different social causes. Many people forgot when the news cycle told them to forget. I think it's important to note that one group of protesters is still taking SARS-CoV-2 more seriously than another group of protesters[0]. [0]: https://i.imgur.com/isF7i7T.jpg https://i.imgur.com/isF7i7T.jpg

kspacewalk2 6y ago
I've never heard anyone argue that it's a "sacrifice", and one worth making at that. Are you sure you're not just misrepresenting a view you dislike? I have heard, and agree wholeheartedly, with a view that this has never been about lives vs. economy, because worsening economic conditions have a predictable cost in human lives. It's actually a tradeoff between lives lost to covid and lives lost to losing health insurance, cancelled medical procedures, suicide, etc. And it is not clear to me at all that either choice will clearly result in fewer deaths.
- dqv 6y ago
  > I've never heard anyone argue that it's a "sacrifice", and one worth making at that. Are you sure you're not just misrepresenting a view you dislike? In which case? Floyd protesters: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/health/pandemic-protesters-covid-risk-floyd-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/health/pandemic-protesters-co... In the case with the Floyd protesters, it's more abstract, but the same sentiment is there. I'd have to go back through my feed to find the specific examples of people explicitly saying they are okay with the possibility of dying from coronavirus. Back-to-workers: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/23/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-bad-economy-worse-coronavirus/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/23/texas-lt-gov-dan-pat... > "No one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?' And if that's the exchange, I'm all in," he said. "And that doesn't make me noble or brave or anything like that. > "I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me ... that what we all care about and what we all love more than anything are those children," he added. "And I want to, you know, live smart and see through this, but I don't want to see the whole country to be sacrificed, and that's what I see."